Dr. Howard and Wendy open with a rare sliver of relief: Guinea-Bissau halting an ethically alarming Hepatitis B vaccine trial proposal framed as a "natural experiment" on infants. From there, the episode pivots into the broader breakdown: vaccine leadership rhetoric that treats polio as negotiable and measles as a "real-world learning opportunity," the normalization of losing measles elimination status, and growing fears that autism-focused federal committees are being reshaped to fit a predetermined vaccine agenda.

They connect these developments to institutional erosion—NIH advisory panels hollowing out, FDA messages disappearing (including warnings about dangerous "autism cures"), and industry pullback as vaccine trials become politically radioactive. The closing argument is blunt: many of the loudest COVID contrarian voices warned about authoritarian overreach in theory, then aligned with (or enabled) the actual power structures now degrading public health in practice—and the hosts insist the record needs to be preserved so this moment can't be memory-holed later.

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Dr. Howard and Wendy unpack what they see as a rapid erosion of evidence-based public health in the U.S. — from vaccine schedule rollbacks and rising measles outbreaks to flu surges and institutional dysfunction inside agencies like the FDA and NIH. They examine how rhetoric about "restoring trust" is being used to justify removing protections for children, pregnant people, and vulnerable populations, while scientific integrity, transparency, and accountability are sidelined. The conversation connects current vaccine policy changes to broader patterns of political control, misinformation, and the abandonment of lessons learned during COVID, ending with a call to resist silence and demand accountability from leaders who shape public health policy.

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In this episode, Jonathan and Wendy unpack a relentless wave of public-health controversies—from proposed vaccine rollbacks and ethically indefensible clinical trials to political interference at the FDA and NIH. As science takes a back seat to ideology, they explore how misinformation, regulatory capture, and selective ethics threaten public trust, vulnerable populations, and the future of evidence-based medicine.

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In this episode, Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent unpack what feels like a turning point for U.S. public health: the rapid erosion of scientific norms inside the FDA and CDC. Sparked by a leaked memo claiming pediatric COVID vaccine deaths, the conversation traces how unsubstantiated assertions, selective data interpretation, and performative outrage are now shaping vaccine policy.

They examine the backlash from former FDA leaders, the misuse of safety databases, and the growing pattern of framing ambiguity as proof of harm. The discussion moves beyond COVID to show how this approach now threatens long-standing vaccines like hepatitis B—despite decades of evidence and dramatic reductions in disease.

At its core, the episode argues this isn't about transparency or restoring trust. It's about power, spectacle, and ideology replacing evidence. When regulators prioritize narratives over data, the real risk isn't hidden side effects—it's the collapse of public confidence in the systems meant to protect children and public health.

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This episode breaks down a moment most people aren't paying close enough attention to: the quiet collapse of leadership and process inside the FDA. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent walk through the sudden resignation of a widely respected career regulator, the internal turmoil left behind, and a leaked memo claiming child deaths from COVID vaccines—released without public data, peer review, or transparent methodology.

Rather than debating vaccines in the abstract, the conversation focuses on something more troubling: what happens when regulatory standards erode, scientific disagreement turns political, and decision-making bypasses established safeguards. With career experts stepping away and unvetted claims driving policy discussions, the episode asks whether the FDA can still function as a credible public health authority—and what the consequences may be if it can't.

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This episode dives into the unraveling of America's public health infrastructure as political interference reshapes the CDC, FDA, and NIH. Jonathan and Wendy walk through the CDC's new vaccine-autism messaging, the chaos and infighting inside the FDA, cuts to critical NIH trials, and Jay Bhattacharya's controversial "pandemic plan" built on personal responsibility instead of public health action. With outbreaks of measles, pertussis, and flu rising, they explore how misinformation, censorship, and agency dysfunction are putting the country at risk.

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This episode dives deep into the escalating chaos inside the FDA as leaders, scientists, and biotech insiders publicly revolt against the agency's current direction. Hosts Jonathan and Wendy break down the explosive STAT News investigations revealing mass resignations, internal fear, political interference, and allegations of mismanagement under V. Prasad's leadership.

The episode unpacks the controversial rejection of a promising Huntington's disease gene therapy, accusations of shifting scientific standards, and the quiet but aggressive attempt by FDA officials — including Tracy Beth Høeg — to restrict access to COVID vaccines for young men. From vaccine policy upheavals to political pressure from the RFK Jr. administration, this conversation exposes the "soap opera" unraveling inside the nation's most important medical regulatory body — and what the turmoil could mean for patients, public trust, and the future of science in America.

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In this gripping Halloween episode marking the second anniversary of We Want Them Infected, hosts Dr. Jonathan Howard and Dr. Wendy Orange confront the chilling reality of America under "Trump II." They dissect the collapse of public health, the weaponization of medicine, and the transformation of science into "Trump-Based Medicine"—a term Jonathan coins to describe physicians parroting political dogma over data.

The duo highlights interviews and statements by Vinay Prasad, Marty Makary, Jay Bhattacharya, and Martin Kulldorff, who now echo President Trump's pseudoscientific vaccine directives—like splitting the MMR shot and delaying Hepatitis B vaccines. They warn that this alignment with anti-vaccine figures such as RFK Jr. and Andrew Wakefield marks a dangerous regression that could undo decades of medical progress.

They also expose turmoil within the FDA, where Prasad's leadership has allegedly created a culture of fear, and discuss the growing exodus of scientists from federal health agencies. From declining measles vaccination rates to government loyalty tests, Howard and Orange paint a harrowing portrait of a nation sliding into scientific authoritarianism.

The episode closes with their sobering realization: despite years of warning, even they underestimated how dark things could get.

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In this explosive episode, Jonathan and Wendy mark their podcast's second anniversary with a scathing review of the current state of U.S. public health and politics. They unpack the implosion of the lab leak movement, the chaos at the NIH under Jay Bhattacharya's leadership, and the bizarre alignment of former "anti-establishment" scientists with political power. From RFK Jr.'s firings at the NIH and CDC to Trump's latest "pro-science" rebrand, the hosts expose how disinformation, ego, and incompetence have reshaped American medicine—and why legacy media, now led by figures like Barry Weiss, keeps amplifying the madness.

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In this face-to-face episode, Jonathan and Wendy dive into the growing chaos surrounding U.S. public health. They highlight CDC whistleblower Dr. Susan Menez's powerful testimony on integrity, contrast it with the dysfunction of the new ACIP panel under RFK Jr., and dissect Trump's Tylenol-and-autism press conference that resurrects discredited Andrew Wakefield talking points. From quack autism "cures" to political appointees fumbling vaccine policy, the discussion traces how anti-vaccine disinformation moved from fringe rhetoric to federal power—leaving states, insurers, and medical groups scrambling to fill the leadership vacuum.

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