Lots of discussion right now about firms trying to kick start their workplace culture.

I wanted to explore conversations with leaders who were leading experiments in how to make things feel different.

In what prove to be a pair of candid conversations I talk to two firms who are asking the question if workplaces can be more motivated by trying to vary the ingredients. John Sill tells us how his firm The Foundation are trying out Wednesday plus one, then John Readman tells us how Modo25 have become the latest firm to try the four-day week - with some learnings along the way.

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