Simon and Zing bring you a weekend listening recommendation: The Interface, the BBC's fiercely informed, fast and funny take on how tech is changing everything.

Hosted by three leading tech journalists whose work covers every aspect of the subject, each episode unpacks week-by-week the unfolding story of how technology is shaping all our futures. No guests. No jargon. Just three sharp voices debating the tech news stories that matter - whether they shook a government, broke the internet, or quietly tipped the balance of power.

As TikTok shifts geopolitics, Trump drives digital shockwaves, Elon Musk expands his space-internet empire and AI reroutes the routines of everyday life - the trio ask: what world are the tech titans building for us? And do we want to live in it?

If you’re in the UK, you can listen to The Interface on BBC Sounds. Everywhere else, find it on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.