What if sustainability isn’t about optics—but about doing the hard, unglamorous work no one wants to deal with? In this episode of Breaking Normal, host Daniel Eisenman sits down with Kathey Pear, lifelong entrepreneur, sales strategist, and sustainability realist, to unpack why “green” has become more marketing than practice. From office furniture landfills to the myth of retirement, Kathey shares decades of lived experience navigating business with integrity. This episode is for founders, operators, and thinkers who want to build something useful, honest, and human—and understand why that matters now more than ever.

Main Topics Covered

• Why “retirement” is a broken concept for people who love their work

• Sales as service, triage, and truth—not manipulation

• The hidden environmental cost of office furniture and business moves

• Why 90% of office furniture ends up in landfills

• Greenwashing vs. real sustainability practices

• The real constraints: storage, real estate, and economics

• Why scaling too fast destroys otherwise good businesses

• Potlatch economics and redefining wealth, value, and success

Key Takeaways

• Sustainability fails when it’s cheaper to throw things away than deal with them

• Sales done well is about helping people make better decisions

• Going slow allows you to survive your mistakes—and learn from them

• Real impact often starts long before profit or recognition

• Wealth isn’t what you accumulate—it’s what you circulate

Connect with the Guest: Kathey Pear

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