Real growth rarely happens when life feels comfortable. It begins when we slow down, question our patterns, and face the deeper truths about how we live and lead.

In this episode of Midlife Chrysalis, Chip Conley talks with Diana Chapman, leadership coach and co-author of The 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership. Drawing from decades of coaching founders and CEOs, Diana shares practical wisdom on how awareness can transform relationships, leadership, and personal growth.

In this conversation, she explores:

• How the Drama Triangle fuels conflict and how to step out of it
• Why playfulness is essential in long-term relationships
• The difference between your zone of excellence and your zone of genius
• Why midlife transformation often requires quiet and surrender

The episode also turns deeply personal as Chip reflects on mortality, purpose, and stepping away from constant busyness to reconnect with what matters most.

Watch the full episode to explore what a true midlife chrysalis can look like.

Timestamps:

03:43 Diana’s path to conscious leadership

07:37 Teach the Class tool

09:03 The Drama Triangle explained

10:43 Personas and playful awareness in relationships

12:31 Lessons from a 44-year marriage

14:32 The 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership

16:55 Conscious leadership in today’s polarized world

17:53 The new book No Drama Teams

22:05 Trust vs threat in team dynamics

24:26 Coaching leaders through crisis

27:53 What makes a great coach

33:10 Discovering your zone of genius

36:28 Diana’s midlife chrysalis experience

39:42 Chip’s idea for a “month of dying” retreat

44:20 Lessons from a founder facing death

46:04 The value of fallow ground and quiet time

47:18 Designing a life of aliveness

48:36 Wisdom vs knowledge in the age of AI

49:26 Diana’s wisdom bumper sticker

50:21 Childhood truth and trusting your inner knowing

52:30 Reflections on truth, growth, and love

55:17 Closing reflections and invitation to the workshop

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