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XChateau Wine Podcast episodes

  • Managing Allocated Offerings w/ Peter Yeung & Byron Hoffman / Tyson Caly, Offset

    Guest hosts and a host as the guest in this episode.  Byron Hoffman and Tyson Caly, co-CEOs of Offset, a leading e-commerce platform for allocated offerings, interview host Peter Yeung about his new course, Allocated Wine Offerings: Best Practices. They get into the content of the course and also a wide range of topics related to allocated offerings. 


    Detailed Show Notes: 


    Co-hosts: Byron Hoffman, Tyson Caly, Co-CEOs of Offset, a wine e-commerce platform and brand studio

    Peter’s background: helped managed wineries (Realm Cellars, Kosta Browne, CIRQ Estate) which used Offset’s e-commerce platform, including managing the allocation systems and then consulting for other wineries; McKinsey; co-author of Luxury Wine Marketing, which has high-level strategy around allocations


    Allocated Wine Offering course

    • More operational strategy for allocations
    • Goes through the entire offering process
    • Includes some benchmarks of key metrics


    Are allocations still relevant? Yes, for 1) scarcity or desired perceived scarcity and 2) large number of SKUs (hard to do a wine club)

    Allocated Offering definition: allocation (limit to purchase) + offering (distinct time frame to buy)

    One of the oldest allocated offerings - Vega Sicilia

    Other industries that use allocations: watches, cars, sneakers

    Uniqueness of wine allocations: price per bottle relatively low, number of bottles relatively high compared to other luxury goods, regulation of alcohol → has made wine allocation systems more advanced

    Timing of offerings clustered at key times (“spring” and “fall”), alternatives tend not to work as well

    Best practice examples: timing of offerings, wish setting strategy

    Supply-demand balance makes a difference in what strategies to use


    Allocation methods: 

    • Offering types: first come, first serve; guaranteed allocation; order request; wine clubs; hybrids
    • Allocation types: group based or individual
    • Napa winery started first come, first serve and group based; winery got several 100 point scores, e-commerce system crashed, created buzz and scarcity, and customer service issues amongst old customers; system evolved to guaranteed allocation with individual allocations; led to 40% more customers buying


    Most important factor in allocations: creating value in allocations (waitlist, secondary market premium, loss of value if they don’t buy)

    Hybrid models: e.g. - Shafer sold high production wines in online store/club, Hillside Select was allocated; adding multiple models increases operational complexity

    AI automation for allocations: could do targeted marketing, might be able to create allocations, likely won’t create allocation rules

    Setting allocations is quick for first come first serve / group based allocations, more complex individual / guaranteed allocations take longer, but can be accelerated with templates and formulas

    Predicting and identifying potential good customers challenging because wine interest is not easy to determine and not correlated with wealth

    RFM (recency, frequency, monetary) a way to prioritize customers 

    Leveraging unique experiences to wine buying and building community can drive performance

    Managing waitlists (e.g. - Sine Qua Non sent a postcard / letter / email every offering to let people know they couldn’t buy wine; intro offerings can engage people right away; drip campaigns also work)


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    55 min
  • US Wholesale Masterclass w/ Pete Przybylinski, The Duckhorn Portfolio (Part 2)

    Having helped grow Duckhorn from $5M to $500M in revenue and the sales team from 1 to >100 people, Pete Przbylinksi, former Chief Sales Officer of The Duckhorn Portfolio for nearly 30 years, has a deep understanding of managing US wholesale markets.  In part two, Pete discusses selling into on- and off-premise chains, pricing, marketing, and more.


    Detailed Show Notes: 

    Selling on-premise takes more time, need to present the wine, sell 1 case at a time, but more marketing value

    ROI skews towards off-premise if you ignore brand equity

    Calera / Kosta Browne targeted 65-70% on-premise, but hard to enforce

    • Can’t tell distributor where to sell since they own the product
    • If retailer asks for it, some states legally require it be offered

    Selling off-premise chains

    • Rely very little on distributor, need to build relationship on your own
    • If brand is small, can use agents/brokers or distributors to get initial discussions
    • Takes patience and perseverance, and need a compelling story
    • Big retailers don’t care about the winemaking process, they care that customers will buy the wine

    In-store displays

    • Retail product managers fight with each other for displays
    • If displays don’t deliver value, they will lose floor space to others
    • Constellation research: most product pulled from shelf, not displays; displays act as powerful billboard for shoppers

    Shelf placement

    • Cold box similar to displays - limited real estate, hard to get in and get the desirable locations
    • Need to communicate to wholesaler merchandising teams where you’d like to be (e.g. - x shelf next to y competitor); need to keep message simple
    • Stick w/ message for ~2 years, takes a long time to see impact, needs patience

    Large on-premise accounts

    • Look at ACV (volume) to identify top targets
    • Similar to off-premise with limited real estate (wine list slots) and they need the wine to sell
    • Can take fewer wines vs off-premise (2-4 max)
    • Longer lead times, programs can be 1-2 years, need to be ready when windows open
    • BTG great, but creates some pricing complications
    • Need to show up where buyers are, e.g. - major events like Pebble Beach or Aspen Food & Wine

    Decoy’s success driven by off-premise

    • Safeway in CA launched brand, then went to other regions and retailers and grew from there
    • Duckhorn brand equity gave Decoy a springboard to launch, but was able to stand alone and now most Decoy drinkers don’t know the tie to Duckhorn

    Price increases

    • Get all the data you can (competitor, consumer behavior, demand elasticity)
    • The nuances of consumers and differences in brand equity are impactful
    • Any decisions take time, may not affect retailers for ~120 days, could take 6-12 months before you see an impact

    Discounting

    • Key for the grocery channel
    • Discounting should be done after all other options exhausted
    • The more it happens, customers think that’s the price of the product, erodes brand equity

    Impact of marketing on sales

    • Duckhorn did very little traditional marketing, mostly sales support (spent ~1.5-2% of revenue)
    • LVMH spends ~30% on marketing, CPG average is ~10% of revenue
    • Did some testing of advertising in 1 market for 1 year and measured impact to determine if it should be expanded
    • Partnerships w/ other products good for grocery channel, can often secure displays

    Advice for a tough wine market

    • Set up production to align w/ honest and believable sales plan
    • Long-term impacts of cutting opex will hurt growing the top-line


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    36 min
  • US Wholesale Masterclass w/ Pete Przybylinski, The Duckhorn Portfolio (Part 1)

    Having helped grow Duckhorn from $5M to $500M in revenue and the sales team from 1 to >100 people, Pete Przbylinksi, former Chief Sales Officer of The Duckhorn Portfolio for nearly 30 years, has a deep understanding of managing US wholesale markets.  In this two-part episode, Pete dives into every aspect of managing a wholesale sales team, including incentive structures and collaborating with distributors.


    Detailed Show Notes: 

    Duckhorn went from 50k cases / ~$5M in revenue / 14-15 employees (1995) to ~$500M revenue (2024)

    The Duckhorn Portfolio

    • Duck themed: Duckhorn Vineyards (1978), Decoy (2nd label originally), Paraduxx (1994), Goldeneye, Migration, Canvasback
    • Acquisitions: Calera (2017), Kosta Browne (2018), Sonoma Cutrer (2024)

    Keys to Duckhorn’s success

    • Brand equity - focused on Merlot, which was hot in 1980s-1990s and catapulted winery
    • Key assets - #1 people, #2 brand equity
    • The French Paradox (1991) created big demand for red wine
    • Table stakes are good scores, showing up in the market, hosting guests

    Sales team grew from 1 person to >100 (~85 in the field)

    • No perfect way to calculate ROI for sales people
    • 1st method: too many cases & distributors to manage, needed more people
    • 2nd method: quantified expected incremental sales from more people (data was full of holes)
    • Final method: managed to target of 8-10% sales opex / revenue, because a KPI for SLT and Board

    Sales team roles

    • Regional Managers, over a series of states (50-60% of time working w/ distributors, the rest out in the market or internal analysis and reporting)
    • District Managers, geographically concentrated, go into accounts you want to be in
    • National Accounts, on and off-premise; a challenge to determine which accounts are national vs regional, ended up doing it case by case and assigning accounts

    Distributor consolidation led to wineries needed to do the work they cannot do

    • E.g. - identifying underrepresented accounts and coming up with action plan by region

    Identifying top salespeople

    • Look at overall contribution margin for the region
    • Share of business in market (using IRI, distributor reports, account base)
    • Gross Profit%, identifies amount of trade spend used
    • How responsive they are, their handle on the market, their decision making
    • #1 method: do they bring new ideas to the table

    Incentivizing salespeople

    • Bonuses must be meaningful (25-35% is meaningful), higher for higher levels
    • Look at contribution margin relative to budget
    • Used a curve (<90% budget - no bonus, above budget - scale increased, which helps end of year motivation)
    • District Managers may have market specific goals (e.g. - increasing depletions, PODs for particular products) that are short term (3-6 months)
    • Overall, incentives are difficult to manage, data can lag; make it objective
    • Recognition is helpful, e.g. - unexpected gifts like a signed 3L from the CEO

    Distributor collaboration best practices

    • Show them a plan and explain why it makes sense (e.g. - buyers are lined up) and get mutual agreement
    • Keep it simple, the info needs to be passed on to others
    • Identify what you’re prepared to do in the marketplace (e.g. - market visits, funding BTG programs, incentives, etc…)
    • Do monthly check-ins and more formal quarterly reviews to see progress against plan and to adjust tactics and strategies

    Optimal size of sales territories

    • Depends on # of distributors in region (e.g. - TN had 8 distributors = 8 days/mo of meetings)
    • Try to align with target sales opex / revenue ratios (~8-12%)

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    43 min
  • Believing in your wine w/ Luisa Amorim, Mirabilis

    Building a new wine category is not something that is easy to plan.  It often is more like a startup, where belief in the product and market is just as critical as a defined strategy.  That's how Luisa Amorim, CEO of Amorim Family Estates, launched Mirabilis into being an iconic still white wine of the Douro Valley.  She outlines priority markets, views on scores and social media, and her belief in word of mouth marketing.  


    Detailed Show Notes: 


    Luisa’s background: hospitality, marketing; started in the family business at 23; spent 3 years in a global rotation program


    Amorim Family Estates

    • 3 regions in Portugal (Douro, Dao, Alentejo)
    • Each property has its own winery and team and does hospitality with a culture and food component
    • Division of bigger Amorim cork company and family


    Mirabilis (part of Quinta Nova)

    • Produced white wine from the beginning (2000)
    • First an unoaked white, then a reserve, then Mirabilis (Latin for “marvelous”)
    • White was not popular in Portugal at the time, production processes were not set up for whites
    • Took 2 years of experimentation, 1st vintage 2011 (2,000 bottles)


    Whites still have pricing barriers vs reds

    Douro white differentiation: close to Atlantic, schist soils, native grapes, and blending

    Introducing Douro whites: older people were harder to get on board, younger were more open to exploration

    Need to have belief in product and its viability over having a detailed marketing plan

    Marketing focus has been on teaching Portuguese wines (including culture and traditions)


    Geographic focus for Mirabilis

    • Portugal 1st - need to be well respected in the home country
    • Switzerland, Benelux (lots of Michelin Star restaurants)
    • Not Scandinavia (targeting higher end of the market)
    • Brazil (speak Portuguese)
    • USA, Canada


    5 people, based in Portugal, work internationally; travel 3-5x/year to each market

    While design and packaging, price positioning are important, the sales team and their relationships are critical in the wine industry

    Having a good wine is more important than press or reviews, people are paying less attention to reviews

    Consumers now look at peers and friends for recommendations and they need to trust the wine producer

    Social media - “should be doing more” - hiring younger people into marketing


    Wine marketing needs to capture the “soul” of the wine

    • Make things simpler, less technical talk
    • More provocative, “sexy” vs saying the same thing all wineries say


    Has not done any paid advertising

    Relies on word of mouth (people taste, buy, and talk) and partnerships


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    43 min
  • The Long View to a Global Icon w/ Lamberto Frescobaldi, Ornellaia

    With 30 generations in the wine business, the Frescobaldis have a long-term view of the wine business.  This mindset has enabled Ornellaia to become a global icon.  Lamberto Frescobaldi, President of Frescobaldi, discusses how Ornellaia established and maintained its status as a global icon. 


    Detailed Show Notes: 


    Background: grew up in the Italian countryside, studied at UC Davis, learned the wines of the world working at Corti Bros in Sacramento


    Frescobaldi family

    • 30 generations in wine
    • Now in Tuscany, Northern Italy, Oregon, & Sicily
    • Focused only on wine


    Ornellaia overview

    • Cabernet Sauvignon, Petit Verdot, Merlot based
    • Bolgheri not historically known as a wine region, not good for Sangiovese
    • Sassicaia, Orenellaia, & Masseto put Bolgheri on the map
    • From year 1, quality was consistently good
    • Founded by Antinoris, Mondavis invited Frescobaldis to partner (Feb 2002), when Mondavi sold to Constellation (2004), Frescobaldi bought out Ornellaia (April 1, 2005)
    • Frescolbaldis have long-term view, have owned Castiglioni since 1052


    Distribution is mostly allocated due to limited quantities

    • Consistent in giving allocations to people who bought the year before
    • Grew distribution globally to maintain scarcity
    • Focused on top restaurants first, get in the right accounts


    3rd party validation (wine critics, famous artists, top restaurants) key to building reputation


    Vendemmia d’Artista

    • Great artists interpret the wine
    • Each vintage given a name (e.g. - power, elegance)
    • Partnership w/ the Guggenheim globally introduces wine to art collectors
    • Artist label on large formats and 1 bottle of each 6 bottle case


    Ornellaia Blanco

    • 1st planting by Antinori was Sauvignon Blanc
    • Cooler, north facing site, small amount produced
    • Aged same amount of time as red, not aromatic, but complex

    Monitors secondary market to help learn about wine’s age ability, if prices dropping, implies inability to age

    Not sure if people buy Ornellaia from seeing it on social media, but allows winery to connect directly to customers

    Negative macro market conditions and trade wars not impacting Ornellaia much, 3rd wine (Le Volte) more susceptible, but haven’t seen impact yet


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    54 min
  • The Blocking & Tackling of Building a Global Icon w/ David Pearson, Joseph Phelps

    With over 40 years of managing some of the top names in wine (Opus One, Mondavi, Baron Philippe de Rothschild), David Pearson, President of Joseph Phelps, has developed a distinct point of view on how to build a globally iconic brand. Ultimately, it comes down to relationships and the effort required to maintain them. From focus and prioritization to spending upwards of 65% of time on the road, David hopes more wineries will follow in his footsteps to build the category of Napa and American wines globally.  


    Detailed Show Notes: 

    David’s background: started as a winemaker (Europe, SoCal), sensory evaluation for Hublein (now Diageo), post-MBA marketing job with Baron Philippe de Rothschild, Mondavi in France (see Mondovino movie), managed Byron, then CEO of Opus One, now President of Joseph Phelps

    The goal is to create personal relationships and care about mutual success and partnership with accounts

    “Focus is the hard part” - at Opus, initially London, Hong Kong, Japan; then emerging markets, Mainland China, Dubai; Phelps also prioritized Korea

    • Singapore distributor told him, “We’ll see you in 5 years, the French come every year.”
    • Track people who buy wine and meet w/ them - 80/20 rule, focus on the top 20% of trade accounts
    • After the top 20%, do second tier of accounts, then collectors
    • Travelled ~65% at Opus One
    • Budgets ~20-30% of marketing expenses for building relationships
    • Opus One 1st 10 years - went to Asia, Canada, Europe every year, then put someone in Tokyo and Hong Kong
    • Sends ~400-500 handwritten holiday cards to partners with specifics about their last visit
    • Travel team includes a winemaker if they like it and are good at communicating, and a marketing team to better understand the market
    • Please don’t make it feel anonymous, but give the meetings and message personality
    • At Phelps, focused on Insignia and current vintage, show older wines to show aging potential

    The goal is to expand export to ~30-40% in 10 years vs. 12-13% of Insignia today

    Brands need to think deeper about what’s unique and also where they are going

    • Get alignment between the story, the wine in the market, and where you’re going

    The winery owner had three objections to export:

    1. sell all the wine to US customers, don’t want to take any away from them
    2. don’t know who to sell to
    3. don’t want to spend the time and money to go there

    Larger volume wines have different commercial relationships, same elements (knowing your partners, need to build), but margins tend to get squeezed

    Believes that if the category is successful (e.g., Napa), everyone will be more successful

    Negociants (La Place) respond to existing market demand well and are efficient distributors, but it is not in their DNA to build brands

    Phelps uses the LVMH distribution network to build the brand and deliver directly to the core accounts

    Measures quality of relationships w/ initial feeling, but then seeing the wines go to the market, need to see forward momentum

    Tracks Liv-ex pricing a lot, seen upticks in Insignia

    Other marketing elements: relationships happen over multiple channels now, need to do more social media, and be part of the discussion

    The pricing goal is to have trade and consumer connect the innate value of the wine to the price

    The current neo-prohibitionist environment recalls the 80s and the “Mondavi defense” of wine as a potential solution


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    53 min
  • Flexibility, not Sobriety w/ Maggie & Rodolphe Frerejean-Taittinger, French Bloom

    Pairing their need for a complex substitute for wine, for both pregnancy and professional network, Maggie Frerejean-Taittinger and friend Constance Jablonski enlisted Maggie’s husband, Champagne and Cognac winemaker Rodolphe to found French Bloom.  With four years of R&D prior to launch and constant refinement since, French Bloom aims to redefine the alcohol free premium sparkling wine space.  Maggie & Rodolphe delve into the creation of French Bloom, exploring its core markets, target customers, and the factors that have drawn them in.  


    Detailed Show Notes: 

    French Bloom overview

    • 500k bottles (2024)
    • Created a premium NA sparkling category
    • Focused on sparkling to create complexity, can play with layers
    • LVMH minority investor

    4 years of R&D to get the desired quality

    • De-alc process loses 60% aroma (was 90% in 2021), removes the backbone of the wine
    • Built NA wine like Cognac, needs an undrinkable base wine
    • Focused on the South of France (warmer, higher alcohol and body) for stronger wines, more body, Languedoc (more organic 40% vs 3-4% in Champagne)
    • Limoux is the best place for NA sparkling, 300m high, Chardonnay and Pinot Noir, a temple of natural wine
    • Base wine is a bit oxidative, very acidified (used to add lemon juice, now naturally from wine), oaky (new oak, foudre), no sulfites, more tannin
    • Create blends of different reserve wines

    Extra Brut (0% abv, 0 sugar) has a base of 30% reserve wine from 2 years, aged in new oak barrels to give more structure

    Better to make adjustments before de-alc vs after

    Use voile to protect wine from oxidation (like Jura)

    Flash pasteurization is used b/c no abv, sulfites to protect the wine

    NA market

    • Wine, beer, spirits - $10B (2020), $20B (2025), believes $30B (2030)
    • Premium NA sparkling - $0.5B (2025), could double next 5 years
    • Holy grail is quality NA still wine, not there yet
    • Best distributors are wine / Champagne distributors, Thailand/Belgium have NA-focused distributors

    French Bloom customers

    • Biggest markets are Champagne markets (France, US #2, UK, Japan, Australia, Belgium, Germany)
    • Younger (25-45), skew female, appreciates both alc and NA sparkling wine

    Sells 20% DTC globally

    2024 NielsenIQ study on NA purchase behavior - #1 driver - for conscious hosting (aligns w/ French Bloom’s ethos of not excluding anybody); #2 health & wellness; #3 driving

    Marketing is digital first, leveraging Constance as a tastemaker and key opinion leader

    More partnerships - Coachella, French Open, just signed F1 (10-year partnership, 1st ever official NA sparkling wine, Moet Chandon on podium; F1 new fans are 75% female, 50% Gen Z from Netflix series)

    Most effective marketing has been the founding story and authentic storytelling (i.e., Maggie’s pregnancy, Constance’s need for moderation while networking)

    Marketing through top-tier restaurants, hotels, and shops (e.g., Michelin-starred; became the #1 wine sold at Erewhon in 1 week)

    Michelin-starred restaurants have 50% non-drinkers at lunch, 20% at dinner

    No sugar, no additives, organic messaging plays well in California, less on the East Coast

    Uses the term “alcohol free” vs. “non-alcoholic”

    NA trends around NA wine & food pairing, including “moderate pairing” (wine & NA wine/drinks as part of pairing); mirrored cocktails (3 versions ofthe same cocktail - NA, low, full)


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    48 min
  • The Tip of the Spear, Global Wine Auctions w/ Adam Bilbey, Christie’s

    Selling the very rare, collectible wines of the world, Adam Bilbey, SVP, Global Head of Wine & Spirits for Christie’s, has a unique view into the state of the wine collector. Adam maps the thought processes and changes in attitude of buyers and sellers of rare wine globally, and he is seeing “green shoots” in the market by mid-2025.  


    Detailed Show Notes: 

    Adam’s background - started w/ Berry Bros out of high school (2000) at Heathrow Airport shop, moved to Hong Kong in 2010 w/ Berry Bros, Sotheby’s in 2015, Christie’s in 2021

    Christie’s is known for fine art, and wine is part of the luxury group (jewelry, handbags, cars), which is 20% of sales, and wine is 10-20% of luxury sales

    2025 wine auction market

    • Christie’s up 2x YOY Aug YTD, big single-owner sales (e.g., Bill Koch)
    • Challenging market mid 2022-2024, newer vintage prices dropping more, more supply available
    • In a downturn, buyers’ price expectations fall faster than sellers’
    • “Green shoots” in 2025, pricing bottoming out

    Burgundy has taken share from Bordeaux last 5-6 years, Champagne came up and leveled off, Italy is strong in the US but not in Asia, Burgundy is strong in Asia, but leveled off

    Interest in more mature vintages, particularly Bordeaux, is still valued there

    Focus on provenance, people won’t bid on poor provenance anymore

    • 2-tier pricing, people paying for a premium for a great collection, single-owner sales, they like the story of who owned the wines

    With a more global market than ever, people buy from anywhere

    • The US has a broader selection
    • Everyone buys from the UK
    • Asia tends to need more focus (e.g., Burgundy)

    Liv-ex shows -10% pricing last year, -20% last 2 years; auction prices move gradually, often lots don’t sell

    More Millennials and Gen Z customers (45% 2025 from 30% 2022)

    Female customers have been consistent last 4-5 years, a slight dip in the US, and growing in Asia

    Younger generations are drinking younger wines, they like the security of younger wines, have a fear of disappointment in older bottles

    Online auctions require ease of use

    • Christie’s does 2x online auctions vs live
    • Live auctions for key moments, key collections
    • Various owner sales in online auctions

    Provenance is improving with more communication (e.g., purchase & storage records), people working together (merchants, auction houses), and technology (digital microscopes, UV light, carbon dating)

    Provenance is critical, as people remember the bad bottles sold to them over the good ones

    Believes China will make a comeback in the next 2-4 years


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    36 min
  • Breaking down the cost of sparkling wine w/ Weston Eidson, Westborn

    Making wine is capital-intensive. Making traditional method sparkling wine is even more so. From less juice from the grapes to double fermentation to more expensive bottles and taxes, Weston Eidson of recently launched Westborn Wine describes the differences in sparkling production.  


    Detailed Show Notes: 

    Weston’s background: >10 years winemaking in Napa (Silver Ghost), family are wine collectors, interned w/ Jason Moore at Modus Operandi (2012), and acquired extra Chardonnay from Steve Matthiasson

    Westborn was founded in 2018, taking “Grand Cru” or single vineyard level fruit for sparkling wine (e.g., Heintz, Ritchie, Durell vineyards)

    Partnered w/ Russell Bevan (mentor) and Nathan Reeves (made sparkling in Margaret River)

    The goal is to start with high-quality wines and layer on complexity with traditional method aging

    Took 4-5 years to find a stride & hone the winemaking process

    Initially thought it would be 3 years aging vs 6 for 1st release (2019 1st release; 2018 1st vintage just disgorged mid 2025)

    SKUs: vintage, Blanc de Blanc, Rose, Non-vintage

    Luxury priced - $100+

    Solera method perpetual reserve program, late disgorged release, lead to a lot of capital in inventory

    2018: 500 cases; 2025 ~1,000 cases; target ~2,000 cases

    Sparkling production costs vs. still wine

    • Fruit costs the same (growers love it: less shrivel, gets fruit off earlier - less pest/disease pressure; spreads out the work)
    • Press cuts important, ~25% less gallons/ton vs still wine, as they don’t take taille
    • Need to make the wine twice: initial fermentation (vin clair), secondary fermentation (bottled with yeast and sugar)
    • Custom crush costs are slightly more expensive due to double fermentation
    • Bottles are more costly and need to be bought earlier (~$0.15-20 for a standard bottle; ~$1 for sparkling)
    • Taxes higher: $2.40/gallon for sparkling wine, $0.07/gallon for still wine <16% abv
    • Storage and financing costs are higher

    Financing is combined with other brands, which may make it hard to start a sparkling brand as a stand-alone entity

    Look at the business plan over 20 20-year time horizon, projecting cash flow positive in 2027 (9 years from founding)

    Trends underpinning Westborn strategy: following Michael Cruse w/ grower CA sparkling wine, premiumization, sparkling doing relatively well, sparkling being used beyond celebrations

    Take inspiration from Bereche, De Souza (lees stirring in bottle to amp up umami), and Selosse

    People looking for experiences have a tasting at The Art Collective Napa Valley


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    39 min
  • The Plight of the US Farmworker w/ Elaine Chukan Brown

    It’s a cycle that has been happening since the late 1800s. The need for agricultural labor in California is a cycle of bringing in labor and then deporting them when they become too visible. Elaine Chukan Brown, wine writer and author of recently published The Wines of California, describes the history, current situation with new regulations and deportation, and the tension put on vineyard workers’ wages in California and their impacts on the labor market and vineyard workers.  


    Detailed Show Notes: 

    The Wines of California covers 3 sections: 

    • How we got here - the history and what context allowed things to happen
    • Where we go - the growing regions and key producers
    • What we’re facing - marketing challenges, climate change

    Interest in farmworkers started with Salud, a medical program for vineyard workers and their families

    • Has mobile and physical clinics
    • Successful because it provides care for workers and their families

    CA is the largest farm region in the US

    • Exports 40% of ag production
    • Became nationally relevant in the 1900s, which led to the need for farm labor

    Sources of farm labor (in chronological order)

    • Indigenous people (until smallpox outbreak and reservations)
    • China - exchanged labor for citizenship, after 10-15 years, expelled Chinese with the Chinese Exclusion Act
    • Japan
    • India
    • Black sharecroppers from the South (small group)
    • Mango (Philippines)
    • Mexico (post WWII) - led to the current H2A program

    When labor populations grow and get too big, they are expelled, which has been in ~20-year cycles

    H2A Program - temporary work visa program

    • Cannot be extended or transferred to another employer
    • Employers must provide housing & transportation
    • Biases towards big business to deal w/ compliance

    FDR (1930s/40s) - Labor Protections Act created worker protections, but excluded agriculture

    United Farmworkers (1975) - 1st farmworker protection legislation

    Association of Farmers - farm wonders banded together to have more leverage against workers

    Ever-growing CA labor regulations create large compliance requirements that end up favoring big business

    Current system sets up farm workers’ wages as the only lever for farm owners to maintain profit margins and be economically viable (w/w/o gov’t subsidies)

    New CA farmworker overtime pay law - 8 hours/day, 40 hours/week before overtime

    • Derived from an office worker’s perspective
    • Does not match the seasonal work of agriculture
    • Employers have small margins, can’t afford overtime rates
    • Workers make less money and need to get 2nd or 3rd jobs
    • If workers get injured at 2nd job, workers’ comp does not cover wages of the main job
    • Employers need to find more workers to do the same amount of work, and lose the experience and skills of the current workforce

    Many crops (e.g., strawberries, peaches) need manual labor and can’t be mechanized

    ICE raids & deportations: not a new thing, but what’s new is people with documentation (visas, amnesty recipients, citizens) are being detained and deported

    • Creating fear, workers not showing up to work (some regions report a 70% drop in workers)
    • Workers not going to farms on main roads (too visible)
    • Families choose 1 member to go ot work, the other stays home to take care of the kids
    • Historically, when the safety of workers is an issue, workers don’t respond to higher pay

    US tariffs increase prices to consumers, decreasing sales; it may take decades for consumers to substitute for domestic wines

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