If you tell your AI NOT to delete your database you’re good right?

In this episode of IT Visionaries, Chris Brandt sits down with Daniel Meyer, CTO of Camunda, to explore why prompts alone are not enough to govern AI.

They discuss the difference between governance by instruction and governance by structure, why enterprises are struggling to turn AI investments into meaningful outcomes, and why adding agents to legacy processes often creates faster versions of the same old problems.

Daniel also explains how one company reduced a four-day process to just 17 minutes—and why results like that only happen when organizations fundamentally rebuild how work gets done.

Highlights:

• Why enterprises need guardrails AI cannot override

Daniel Meyer on LinkedIn

Camunda

IT Visionaries

2:16 Why Business Processes Are Enterprise Algorithms

2:40 Why AI Investment Isn’t Delivering Bigger Outcomes

4:29 What Real AI Leverage Looks Like

6:35 Rebuilding the Software Development Process Around AI

11:19 Why Companies Struggle to Understand Their Own Processes

15:29 How Harmony Made a Process 90x Faster

16:40 How ProcessOS Reengineers Business Processes

19:54 Building AI Agents You Can Actually Trust

21:49 When an AI Agent Deletes the Database

22:28 Governance by Instruction vs. Governance by Structure

25:03 What AI Governance Can Learn From Human Access Controls

38:45 How to Test and Switch Between AI Models

45:00 Is Enterprise Software Becoming Headless?

46:51 The Rise of the Orchestrated Enterprise

-- 

This episode of IT Visionaries is brought to you by Meter - the company building better networks. Businesses today are frustrated with outdated providers, rigid pricing, and fragmented tools. Meter changes that with a single integrated solution that covers everything wired, wireless, and even cellular networking. They design the hardware, write the firmware, build the software, and manage it all so your team doesn't have to.

That means you get fast, secure, and scalable connectivity without the complexity of juggling multiple providers. Thanks to meter for sponsoring. Go to meter.com/itv to book a demo.

---

IT Visionaries is made by the team at Mission.org. Learn more about our media studio and network of podcasts at mission.org.

Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.