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In this episode Val and Brannon look at the example of Winston Churchill and talk about what made him a truly great leader.  The bottom line?  He was interested in the ideas, thoughts, feelings, and experiences of the people he led.  And even allowed himself to be persuaded by them.  How much do we feel heard as "normal people" sitting in the pews at church?  How much do our experiences, beliefs, and struggles impact those leading us at headquarters?  

Are we allowed to feel that a collaborative relationship going both from the top to the bottom and from the bottom to the top is allowed?  Acceptable?  Welcome?  Buckle up for this conversation as these therapists tackle a question that hits at the heart of the organizational structure that they both care deeply about and see as problematic to the health of any organization. 

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