#12.5 & 13.5: Ashley and Christiana discuss topics from Episodes 12 (Chris Poulos) and 13 (Flor Edwards) while drawing on personal examples and a few laughs along the way!

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Show Notes:

1:10 - Expanders….and headgear?

4:47 - An explanation about “Expanders" - in the inspirational way (not in the headgear way)

11:45 - Expungement for state crimes vs federal crimes (referring to Chris Poulos’ episode), along with the privilege that comes from having certain economic opportunities

15:10 - The dean’s office story from Episode 12 (super inspirational!) + breaking barriers and stigma

23:10 - The sex offender example: being reactionary vs. prevention

31:13 - When is society made whole?

37:45 - Transitioning into Flor’s story

50:08 - Discussing not being allowed to think/feel a certain way

53:28 - Ashley’s childhood story about animals having souls

1:07:41 - Being open to new information

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