The Delighted Customers Podcast with Mark Slatin

#143 The Bravery Effect: Lessons from a Marine and Leadership Expert


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What if the very thing holding you and your team back from success isn’t a lack of skills or resources—but fear itself? How could learning to face what’s uncomfortable actually unlock your best results, greater job satisfaction, and even more meaningful customer experiences?

In this episode of the Delighted Customers podcast, I dive deep with Jill Schulman, Marine Corps veteran, leadership consultant, and author of The Bravery Effect. Together, we explore how the ability to be brave—especially in business—can reshape not only what we accomplish, but who we become. If fear is quietly dictating the pace of progress and innovation at your organization, Jill’s approach to bravery will challenge your thinking and inspire you to lead differently.

You’ll want to tune in because Jill’s work spans battlefields, boardrooms, and classrooms alike. Her background in the Marine Corps, Fortune 500 consulting, and positive psychology at the University of Pennsylvania gives her a distinctive perspective on why facing discomfort is essential for growth. She breaks down practical tools and strategies you can use to build your own bravery skills and create cultures where people dare to step out of their comfort zones.

Here are three questions Jill answers on the show:

  1. What are the most common myths and misconceptions leaders have about bravery—and why do they matter?

  2. How can you set brave goals for your team without overwhelming them, and why does this drive both engagement and results?

  3. What practical, research-based steps can anyone take to build their bravery “muscle” and overcome fear in the workplace?

Ready to rethink what it means to be brave—in leadership, customer experience, and in life? Listen and subscribe now! Apple Podcasts: Delighted Customers on Apple Podcasts Spotify: Delighted Customers on Spotify You’ll also find us on Amazon Music or wherever you like to get your podcasts.

Meet Jill Schulman

Jill Schulman is a United States Marine Corps veteran, leadership consultant, and author of The Bravery Effect. Her work focuses on developing leaders at all levels, drawing on her diverse experience as a Marine Corps demolition team leader and pharma sales professional, as well as her advanced study in positive psychology at the University of Pennsylvania. Jill has spent over 25 years working with organizations ranging from Fortune 500s to small businesses, training leaders to move from “safe and stuck” to “bold and brave.” She is on a personal mission to help people not only embrace challenges, but run toward them, knowing that the biggest breakthroughs come from moments of discomfort. Jill delivers engaging evidence-based strategies for conquering fear, elevating engagement, and bringing out the best in ourselves and our teams.

Connect with Jill on LinkedIn: Jill Schulman on LinkedIn

Show Notes & References:

  • Jill Schulman’s website and newsletter: jillshulman.com

  • The Bravery Effect book—available everywhere books are sold

  • Research referenced: Martin Seligman (PERMA Model), Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi (Flow), Aaliyah Crum & Kelly McGonigal (Stress Mindset Theory), Albert Bandura (Self-Efficacy Theory), Daniel Kahneman (Behavioral Economics & Risk Aversion)

Join us for this impactful conversation! Let’s discover together how bravery—not comfort—is the path to delighting customers and transforming organizations.

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