What drives customers to cling fiercely to a brand, even when it means paying more or overlooking problems others wouldn’t forgive? Is our political identity quietly fueling a new kind of “super loyalty” that’s transforming customer behavior, for better or worse?

In this episode of the Delighted Customers podcast, I dive into these burning questions with my returning guest, Dr. Forrest Morgeson, associate professor, researcher, and interim chairperson of the Marketing Department at Michigan State University's Eli Broad College of Business. Forrest, drawing on a unique blend of academic rigor and industry insight, explores how political polarization isn’t just shaping national conversations—it’s shaping the way brands connect with customers, and how those customers, in turn, connect back.

If you’re in marketing, customer experience, or simply care about understanding what really makes customers tick in today’s politically charged climate, this episode is for you. Forrest’s background with the American Customer Satisfaction Index (ACSI), along with his extensive research on brand loyalty and the nuances of political extremism, make him a must-listen expert. He’s not just sharing theories—he’s revealing data-driven insights you can act on, whether you’re a CX leader or a curious consumer.

Here are three essential questions Forrest answers on the show:

• What is the surprising link between political extremism and “super loyalty” to brands, and how does this affect both customers and companies?

• Why do politically extreme customers sometimes become brand evangelists—defending their favorite brands even after service failures or price hikes?

• What practical ethical and strategic lessons should business leaders take away when targeting or retaining highly loyal customer segments in a polarized marketplace?

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Meet Forrest Morgeson

Forrest Morgeson, Ph.D., is an associate professor of marketing at the Eli Broad College of Business at Michigan State University, where he currently serves as the interim chair of the Marketing Department. With broad expertise spanning marketing strategy, customer satisfaction, and management, Forrest has played a pivotal role as co-director of the doctoral program and is deeply involved in shaping the next generation of business leaders at MSU.

He is renowned for his work with the American Customer Satisfaction Index (ACSI), where his research examines how consumers evaluate companies, sectors, and even government services over time. Forrest’s latest research breaks new ground by investigating the relationship between political identity and customer loyalty, shedding light on how political extremism can create deeply attached, even “defensive,” customers. He is a passionate educator, a prolific researcher, and has been published in leading journals on topics ranging from service satisfaction to the psychological underpinnings of loyalty.

To learn more or connect with Forrest, visit his faculty page at MSU or connect with him on LinkedIn.

Show Notes & References

• American Customer Satisfaction Index (ACSI): theacsi.org

• Oliver’s Framework for Loyalty (referenced work on the stages of customer loyalty): See summary on the four stages

• Recent case studies mentioned: Bud Light controversy | Target Pride campaign blowback

• Connect with Forrest Morgeson: Michigan State University Bio | LinkedIn

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What happens when your company’s reputation—and your customers’ trust—hangs by a thread? Are you ready for a moment when a crisis isn’t just possible, but inevitable?

In this episode, I dive deep into one of the most critical topics for today’s leaders: how strategy, communication, and integrity intersect to protect (and sometimes rebuild) your organization's trust in the face of crisis. When everything is on the line, understanding this intersection isn’t just important—it’s essential. The choices you make, and how you communicate them, can mean the difference between lasting customer loyalty or irreparable damage to your brand.

That’s why you can’t afford to miss my conversation with Michael Meath. Michael has spent over 40 years advising companies across the country through some of the toughest, most sensitive situations—from toxic crises to everyday reputational risks. He’s also served as interim chair of the prestigious Syracuse University School of Public Relations, shaping the next generation of communicators. If you’re a business leader, organizational communicator, or anyone invested in customer experience, Michael’s insights are a must-hear.

Here are three questions Michael answers on this episode:

• Why is it essential for CEOs and leaders to invest in communication and public relations—not just in a crisis, but every single day?

• What are the most dangerous myths and common missteps companies make when high-stakes moments arise?

• How can leaders activate a simple yet powerful model to ensure their communications strategy is rooted in integrity, builds trust, and truly delights customers—even when things go wrong?

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Meet Michael Meath

Michael Meath is a nationally recognized expert in crisis communications, public affairs, and ethical leadership. With more than four decades in the field, he’s guided Fortune 500 companies, public utilities, health systems, and financial institutions through high-profile challenges—like the Tylenol cyanide scare, Wells Fargo’s fake account scandal, and environmental disasters. His innate ability to “run toward the fire” has earned him a reputation as the trusted advisor organizations hope they never have to call—but are thankful for when the stakes are highest.

Michael served as interim chair and an adjunct professor at Syracuse University’s world-renowned S.I. Newhouse School of Public Communications, teaching ethics, communications, and leadership to both graduate and undergraduate students. He’s also a business owner, published author, and consultant to the military and veteran organizations. Michael’s signature model highlights the overlap between strategy, communications, and integrity—insisting that true organizational success requires all three, with integrity at the core.

Connect with Michael on LinkedIn: Michael Meath LinkedIn

Learn more about his work at michaelmeath.com or reach him via email at [email protected].

Show Notes & References

• MichaelMeath.com

• [email protected] (Email)

• Syracuse University's S.I. Newhouse School of Public Communications

• Tylenol Cyanide Crisis - History

• Exxon Valdez Oil Spill

• Wells Fargo Fake Account Scandal

• BP Deepwater Horizon Spill

• Wegmans Food Markets - Top Workplace

• Harvard Program on Negotiation: Dealing with an Angry Public

• Platinum Rule in CX

What if the real secret to customer loyalty and transformation isn’t just about great ideas, but about how you build consensus within your organization—before you make a single move?

Too often, even the smartest strategies can get derailed by resistance, misalignment, or simple miscommunication inside a company. That’s why I was eager to dig into the Japanese concept of "Nemawashi," a systematic approach to consensus-building that’s been central to Toyota’s legendary pursuit of customer delight and continuous improvement. Imagine cutting through internal silos and getting people not just to "buy in," but to truly commit—streamlining innovation from inside out. The impact? Smarter, faster, and more sustainable change that sticks.

If you care about transforming customer experience and sparking lasting organizational change, you don’t want to miss this episode with Dr. Graham Hill. He brings not only a global perspective but also hands-on experience as the former head of CRM for Toyota Financial Services—where these very principles drove jaw-dropping results. Dr. Hill’s blend of academic rigor, practical insight, and international expertise makes this a must-listen for anyone looking to break down barriers and drive real, measurable progress.

Here are three standout questions Graham answers on the show:

• What is Nemawashi, and how does it fundamentally change the way organizations drive internal consensus and transformation?

• Why is commitment more important than simple executive buy-in when trying to make organizational change succeed?

• How can the A3 model and concepts like Gemba and Kaizen help teams collaborate more effectively and boost campaign results?

Don’t miss this fascinating exploration—listen and subscribe to the Delighted Customers podcast on Apple Podcasts and Spotify, or find us on all your favorite podcast platforms.

Meet Dr. Graham Hill

Dr. Graham Hill is a recognized global authority on customer experience, loyalty, and organizational transformation. With an extensive background spanning over thirty-five years, Graham has worked with top brands such as British Airways, Ford Motor Company, the Royal Bank of Scotland, and notably spent over five years with Toyota Financial Services in Germany as Head of CRM. There, he learned firsthand the power of Japanese business principles like Nemawashi, the A3 model, and Kaizen—applying them to drive breakthrough improvements, including a leap from a 5–10% to a 35% response rate in customer campaigns.

He’s also held senior roles at firms like PricewaterhouseCoopers and KPMG Consulting, bringing both rigorous academic and practical expertise to the table. While Graham humbly resists the title of "Japanese culture expert," his immersion in Toyota’s approach has given him a unique perspective on the art and science of organizational change. Today, he’s active on LinkedIn—passionate about sharing what he’s learned and helping others cultivate more collaborative, customer-centric organizations.

Connect with Graham Hill on LinkedIn: Graham Hill

Show Note References

• Toyota’s Secret Weapon: The A3 Report by John Shook (MIT Sloan Management Review): Read Article

• Culture’s Consequences by Geert Hofstede: Learn more

• Steve Blank’s quote: “There are no facts inside the building.” Steve Blank

• Servqual/ RATER Model: Overview

• 40 Years, 20 Million Ideas: Toyota’s Suggestion System: Book Info

• Tom Fishburne, Marketoonist: Marketoonist Cartoons

• Connect with Dr. Graham Hill: LinkedIn

What if the real secret to exceptional leadership isn’t control, charisma, or even performance—but generosity? Could the “soft stuff” like listening, empathy, and vulnerability truly drive the hardest results in business?

In this episode of the Delighted Customers podcast, I dig into that very question with Joe Davis, legendary former Senior Partner at Boston Consulting Group, co-founder of BCG’s Washington D.C. office, and author of “The Generous Leader: Seven Ways to Give of Yourself for Everyone’s Gain”. Joe shares his own journey from traditional, results-driven leadership to a generous, people-centered model—and why unlocking your team’s full human potential just might be the most powerful business move you can make. We explore how the traits of generosity drive not only team happiness and loyalty, but also real bottom-line outcomes, making this conversation essential listening for leaders and aspiring leaders at every level.

Why should you tune in to this episode? Joe has four decades of hands-on experience innovating in both the private and public sectors, founding major business initiatives within BCG, and working closely with Fortune 500 C-suite leaders. He distills this wisdom into practical strategies—whether you’re leading a team of three or a global enterprise of 100,000. His stories from the front lines of consulting, combined with actionable steps for building trust and humanity in the workplace, will change the way you think about leadership forever.

Here are three compelling questions Joe answers on the show:

• Why should organizations and their C-suite invest in “generous leadership” when they’re held accountable for hard business outcomes, not just a healthy culture?

• What are the seven key traits that separate good leaders from exceptional, generous leaders—and how do they play out in real-world scenarios?

• How can listening, vulnerability, and small acts of recognition dramatically improve your team’s performance and engagement?

Listen now and subscribe to the Delighted Customers podcast on Apple Podcasts and Spotify! You’ll find this episode—and every episode—on all your favorite podcast platforms. If you find value in these conversations, please leave a review and share with a friend or colleague who wants to rethink what great leadership really looks like.

Meet Joe Davis

Joe Davis is a veteran senior partner at Boston Consulting Group (BCG), where he spent 37 years shaping strategy, developing talent, and transforming organizations at the highest level. Joe co-founded BCG’s Washington D.C. office and launched the firm’s North American Public Sector business, as well as leading BCG North America. Passionate about advancing equity and inclusion, he also founded and chaired BCG’s Center for Inclusion and Equity.

Joe is a Harvard Business School graduate and has been at the forefront of helping organizations evolve from top-down, authoritarian structures to cultures of trust, inclusion, and generosity. His experience spans advising CEOs of major corporations to hands-on coaching with emerging leaders. He is the author of “The Generous Leader: Seven Ways to Give of Yourself for Everyone’s Gain,” a groundbreaking book that reimagines the connection between caring leadership and delivering results.

Joe is currently an advisor and coach to BCG’s rising partners, teaching them how to inspire, motivate, and build lasting client relationships. You can reach Joe and learn more about his work via his LinkedIn profile or his website at joedavis.com.

Show References and Resources

• “The Generous Leader: Seven Ways to Give of Yourself for Everyone’s Gain” by Joe Davis Amazon Link

• Joe Davis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-davis-bcg/

• Joe’s personal website: https://joedavis.com

• Harvard Business School: https://www.hbs.edu

• Boston Consulting Group (BCG): https://www.bcg.com

• Michigan State University’s Trust and Leadership Education: https://broad.msu.edu

• CEO Joaquin Duato, Johnson & Johnson: https://www.jnj.com/leadership/joaquin-duato

• Scott Kirby, CEO of United Airlines: https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/company/about/leadership.html

• Sheila Bair, former FDIC chair: https://www.fdic.gov/about/leadership/sheila-bair/

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Is AI-powered personalized pricing the next frontier—or the next fiasco—for customer loyalty and corporate reputation?

That’s the burning question I dive into with my guest, Dr. Peter Fader, on this episode of the Delighted Customers podcast. With Delta Air Lines rolling out AI-driven pricing and the world watching closely, the conversation takes a provocative turn: Should the C-suite pursue every possible drop of revenue if it risks alienating the very customers whose business it depends on? Dr. Fader walks us through the razor’s edge between innovative revenue optimization and the real dangers of going “too granular” with pricing, shining a light on the long-term risks few companies are thinking about today.

Why should you tune in? Dr. Peter Fader is not just an academic—he’s a trailblazer whose work bridges the gap between data science, behavioral psychology, and pragmatic business leadership. His pioneering research on customer lifetime value and predictive analytics has redefined how top firms measure, value, and grow their customer bases for sustainable profitability—not just quick wins. If you work in pricing, revenue management, customer experience, or strategy, you need to hear his take on dynamic pricing, the emotional minefields of AI, and how to make decisions that customers—and shareholders—can live with tomorrow, not just today.

Here are three key questions Dr. Fader answers in this episode:

• What’s the real difference between smart dynamic pricing and dangerous personalized pricing—and why should every business care?

• How can companies avoid the temptation of “slicing the bologna too thin” with AI, and what are the hidden long-term costs of over-optimizing for short-term profit?

• Where are the true opportunities and ethical boundaries in customer-based valuation, and what lessons can firms learn from industries like airlines and pro sports?

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• Apple Podcasts

• Spotify

Meet Dr. Peter Fader

Dr. Peter Fader is a Professor of Marketing at the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania, renowned for his transformative contributions to customer analytics, customer lifetime value, and predictive modeling in business. His influential books include “Customer Centricity: Focus on the Right Customers for Strategic Advantage,” “The Customer Centricity Playbook,” and “Customer-Base Audit.” Beyond academia, Peter made waves as co-founder of Zodiac, a predictive analytics firm acquired by Nike in 2018, and continues pushing the boundaries at Theta, a company focused on customer-based corporate valuation for private equity and enterprise clients.

Peter’s work stands out for blending rigorous quantitative modeling with real-world application, helping executives across industries balance the drive for immediate revenue with strategies that nurture lasting customer relationships and true organizational value. His recognitions include teaching and research awards, and he is frequently sought after for his insights by global brands, sports franchises, and media.

Connect with Peter on LinkedIn: Dr. Peter Fader

Show Notes/References

• Delta Airlines’ AI-driven strategic pricing news: Delta, Fetcherr, and AI Pricing Example

• Customer-Based Valuation (Theta): Theta

• Prospect Theory – Daniel Kahneman & Amos Tversky: Nobel Prize in Economic Sciences 2002 – Daniel Kahneman

• Dr. Fader’s books:

  • Customer Centricity: Focus on the Right Customers for Strategic Advantage

  • Customer-Base Audit

  • The Customer Centricity Playbook

• Reference to Amazon’s 2000 personalized pricing backlash: Wired: Amazon Customers Upset About Price Tests

Have a question or feedback? Reach out—I love hearing from listeners!

What really makes customer service stick—not just as a business function, but as a transformative and human-centered experience—even in an era dominated by AI and automation?

That’s the burning question I dig into with my guest on this episode of the Delighted Customers podcast. If you’ve ever wondered why some organizations continually miss the mark (even with technology at their fingertips), or why change management feels like an endless uphill battle, this conversation is for you. More than ever, your customers expect seamless, empathetic experiences—and getting it wrong can cost you not just customers, but also your reputation and bottom line.

You should listen to Nick Glimsdahl because he’s not only spent years on the front lines of customer experience and contact center management, but he’s also channeled those lessons into his compelling new book, The Heart of Service. Nick brings practical wisdom, powerful stories, and tried-and-true strategies to the table. He knows the pain points, understands the evolution of customer expectations, and knows how to drive meaningful change—while keeping the “heart” front and center.

Here are three pressing questions Nick answers in our conversation:

• What are the hidden challenges (and necessary steps) when trying to transform a broken customer service culture from the inside out?

• How can organizations balance technology, such as AI, with the need to stay truly human and deliver standout customer experiences?

• What are the most common missteps leaders make when implementing new service solutions, and how can you avoid falling into those traps?

Tune in now and find out why your strategy—and your empathy—both matter more than ever. Subscribe to the Delighted Customers podcast on Apple Podcasts or on Spotify, or listen on any of your favorite podcast platforms. Don’t miss an episode!

Meet Nick Glimsdahl

Nick Glimsdahl is an industry leader in customer experience and contact center transformation, and the author of the new book, The Heart of Service. With over eight years in the world of contact centers, Nick has witnessed firsthand the rapid evolution—and common pitfalls—of service delivery in both technology-driven and human-driven environments. As a consultant at VDS, he’s helped numerous organizations assess, reimagine, and implement successful customer experience strategies by putting people and outcomes first.

Nick is also a seasoned podcaster and storyteller, using his platform and expertise to surface the real, behind-the-scenes challenges frontline teams and leaders face. He’s passionate about not only improving customer metrics like retention, employee morale, and NPS, but also championing the human side of service—helping organizations move beyond “marketecture” and truly listen to both customers and employees.

Want to connect with Nick? Find him on LinkedIn.

References from this Episode

• The Heart of Service by Nick Glimsdahl (book)

• VDS (Nick’s Consulting Firm)

• Patrick Lencioni - Five Dysfunctions of a Team, Silos, Politics, and Turf Wars

• Kindra Hall - Storytelling Expert

• Salesforce, used as a technology example

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Is your business rushing into AI without really understanding how it fits into your strategy—or worse, letting “FOMO” drive your next big tech investment?

On this episode of the Delighted Customers podcast, I challenge leaders to think beyond the hype and get real about the transformational (and sometimes risky) power of AI in delivering great customer experiences. With renowned customer experience innovator Bill Staikos as my guest, we dig into the strategic decisions today’s C-suite faces: not just adopting new technology, but making sure it’s purpose-built to enhance both customer and employee outcomes. Bill’s candid, practical approach exposes common missteps—like dropping AI tools into teams with no training or clarity—and offers an essential reset for anyone who wants lasting, measurable results.

Bill Staikos brings rare insight as a former Senior Vice President at Medallia and Bank of New York (the world’s largest custodian bank), and as founder of the boutique consultancy B Customer Led. Tune in to learn directly from someone who has led next-gen customer experience transformations at major financial institutions, built teams to scale, and now pushes the field forward with his own new show, The Multimodal Experience.

Here are three core questions Bill answers in our episode:

• What are the biggest mistakes companies make when incorporating AI into customer experience—and how can you avoid them?

• How should leaders think about the boundaries between automation and the human touch, especially in sensitive customer journeys?

• What’s changing about who your “customer” truly is in an age of agentic AI, and how does that reframe loyalty and relationship-building?

Don’t miss this episode if you want actionable, clear-eyed guidance on making AI work for the people who matter most—your customers and employees. Listen now and subscribe via Apple Podcasts or Spotify, or find us on all your favorite podcast platforms!

Meet Bill Staikos

Bill Staikos is a visionary leader in customer experience, AI strategy, and organizational change, with a career spanning top roles at industry giants such as Medallia, Bank of New York, JPMorgan Chase, Credit Suisse, and American Express. He’s known for driving and scaling business outcomes in some of the most data-rich, complex environments in the world, particularly in financial services. As founder of B Customer Led, Bill helps organizations rethink how technology, data, and talent intersect to build customer-centric growth.

Bill’s approach is rooted in challenging the status quo—pushing companies to break old habits, design with both the “front-of-house” and “back-of-house” in mind, and always put human goals before shiny tech. He is also the creator and host of the new podcast, Multimodal Experience, where he explores how advanced technologies are fundamentally reshaping the way brands and people connect.

You can connect with Bill on LinkedIn: Bill Staikos LinkedIn

References from the Show

• ADKAR Change Management Model

• Medallia

• Bank of New York Mellon

• Bill Stakos on LinkedIn

• B Customer Led

• Strawberry Agentic AI Browser (referenced as an example in the discussion)

• NPS Prism at Bain

• The Multimodal Experience Podcast

What makes change so difficult—even for organizations that know change is inevitable and even necessary for growth? If we all agree that staying in our comfort zones holds us back, why do we continue to resist change—and what can leaders do to help teams navigate it better?

In this episode of the Delighted Customers podcast, I sit down with Dennis Geelen, an accomplished author and consultant, to decode the human side of change management. We dive into strategies for easing transitions in workplaces rocked by mergers, tech shifts, and cultural upheaval. If you’ve ever faced pushback—even when a change is clearly for the greater good—Dennis’ actionable insights are for you. His creative approach takes the abstract concept of “change” and makes it tangible, actionable, and even relatable. From leadership lessons to frameworks you can use with your team tomorrow, Dennis explains it all with stories and wisdom.

Here’s why you want to listen: Dennis not only brings decades of experience helping organizations lead through transition, but he also recently co-authored a new book, The Five Shoes for Change, that pairs his business expertise with clinical psychology insights. If you’re a leader, CX professional, or employee wondering why company change initiatives so often falter—or just want to build your own change muscle—this episode is essential listening.

Three questions Dennis answers on the show:

What are the five “shoes” you need to successfully lead yourself—and your team—through change?

What are the most common missteps organizations make in change management, and how do these missteps affect employee experience?

How can leaders identify and address emotional baggage that employees bring to organizational changes, such as mergers or acquisitions?

Ready to build change resilience and transform your approach to leadership and customer experience? Tune in to this episode now.

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Meet Dennis Geelen

Dennis Geelen is a renowned author, consultant, and keynote speaker specializing in customer experience, change management, and leadership. As the founder of Zero In, he’s worked with organizations across North America, helping them create customer-obsessed cultures and navigate complex transformations. His new book, The Five Shoes for Change, is a collaboration with psychologist Christian McMillan, integrating clinical psychology with pragmatic business consulting to guide individuals and companies through the turbulent waters of change.

Dennis is also the author of The Zero In Formula, where he outlines a system for sustainable growth, and The Accidental Solopreneur, drawing on his own journey to entrepreneurship. Known for his engaging storytelling, Dennis brings practical frameworks to bear—with a focus on actionable steps and self-awareness that leaders can immediately implement.

Find Dennis on LinkedIn: Dennis Geelen on LinkedIn Learn more: dennisgeelen.me Book updates: 5shoesforchange.com (coming soon)

References from this episode:

• JourneyTrack AI-powered Journey Mapping Whitepaper

• The Five Shoes for Change (coming fall 2025)

• Dennis Geelen on LinkedIn

• dennisgeelen.me

• Edward de Bono – Six Thinking Hats

• The Zero In Formula by Dennis Geelen

• The Accidental Solopreneur by Dennis Geelen

Is your organization fully realizing the value of your contact center, or is it being limited by a narrow focus on efficiency and cost control?

In this episode of the Delighted Customers podcast, I sit down with renowned Canadian contact center consultant and trainer Mike Aoki to examine how contact centers serve as the real-time pulse of customer experience. Together, we explore the evolution of the contact center from its early telephone-based days to today's complex, omnichannel environments shaped by agentic AI and chatbot technology. The discussion underscores the significant impact that leadership priorities, technology decisions, and agent empowerment have on both customer outcomes and business performance. When the contact center is viewed merely as a cost center and subjected to relentless efficiency metrics, organizations risk not only increased customer churn, but also missed opportunities for competitive intelligence, brand loyalty, and measurable business growth.

You should listen to this episode if you are committed to building an organization where customer experience is not just a catchphrase, but a measurable advantage. Mike Aoki brings over three decades of frontline and management expertise in contact centers, working closely with major organizations such as the Royal Canadian Mint, EQ Bank, and Pitney Bowes. His insights are especially relevant to leaders navigating the intersection of AI adoption, agent turnover, and rising customer expectations.

In this conversation, Mike provides clear, actionable answers to these pressing questions:

• What are the key differences between traditional chatbots and agentic AI, and how should each be leveraged within evolving contact center operations?

• What are the most common mistakes leaders make when managing contact center performance, and what metrics truly matter for customer experience and long-term retention?

• How can organizations successfully integrate AI to support—not replace—human agents and ensure that complex, emotionally charged interactions lead to positive outcomes?

If you are responsible for customer experience, service operations, or digital transformation, I would encourage you to listen and subscribe. Find the Delighted Customers podcast on Apple Podcasts and Spotify, as well as all major podcast platforms.

Meet Mike Aoki

Mike Aoki is a leading Canadian customer service and sales trainer with more than 35 years of experience in every facet of contact center operations. He has advised prominent organizations including the Royal Canadian Mint, EQ Bank, and Pitney Bowes on how to leverage the contact center as a strategic source of customer insight and a driver of customer loyalty. Starting his career when contact centers were voice-only operations, Mike has guided businesses through significant transitions—from FAQ-based telephone service, to the adoption of email, to the complexities of omnichannel engagement and the rise of agentic AI.

A noted speaker and writer, Mike emphasizes that while technology is essential for scale and efficiency, true customer experience excellence is achieved through a balanced focus on agent empowerment, emotional intelligence, and effectiveness. He challenges leaders to reconsider the metrics and incentives that shape agent behavior and to invest in both the technical and human sides of service delivery. Mike’s hands-on experience and practical frameworks have made him a respected voice in the industry.

Connect with Mike on LinkedIn.