The Unteachables Podcast

#168: What schools get profoundly wrong — with Andy Hargreaves


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What does it actually mean to be a professional in teaching? Not just "treated like one" — but what does professional knowledge, professional growth, and professional community actually look like in practice?

I got to sit down with one of the most cited education scholars alive — the incredible Andy Hargreaves — and honestly, I could have talked to him for hours. Andy is an author or editor of 40 books, an education advisor to governments across multiple countries, and the co-creator of the concept of Professional Capital — a framework that has genuinely changed the way educators and systems think about what it means to invest in teachers.

This is one of those episodes that I think is going to hit differently depending on where you are in your career. Whether you're in your first few years wondering if it's all worth it, or you're a seasoned teacher who's lost a bit of your spark, or you're a school leader trying to figure out why your staff keep burning out — Andy has something for you.

Here's a taste of what we got into:

In this episode, you'll learn:

  • What professional capital actually is — and the three types every teacher already has (and needs to grow)
  • Why staying in teaching longer than three years isn't just "getting expensive" — it's where the real expertise is built
  • The chess metaphor that will completely reframe how you see your early career (and honestly, any career stage)
  • What Andy believes schools are profoundly getting wrong about teacher wellbeing right now
  • Why "wellbeing add-ons" like yoga and meditation won't fix what's actually causing teacher ill-being
  • The three biggest causes of ill-being in schools — including one that hits way too close to home for Australian teachers
  • What collective autonomy means and why individual autonomy alone isn't the answer
  • Why the most powerful thing you can do as a teacher might be to fight for your autonomy together, not alone
  • What Andy will be sharing at EduTech Sydney — including his fascinating "teaching as repair work" framework

Have a question, comment, or just want to say hello? Drop us a text!

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