On this week's episode Stefanie talks to Minister for Finance Paschal Donohoe. They talk about how it all works, where the money comes from and goes. How he got into this line of work and whether he had an abacus as a child. They talk about Paschal's proudest moments in politics, and some of the difficulties in the job.

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This episode is sponsored by The UX Design Institute.