If you haven’t come across the Hot Chef saga on Threads…first of all, how?! Second of all, you’re truly missing out. But not to worry - this week, Ali sits down with the woman at the center of it all, Katherine Wela Bogen. We dive into this joy-filled, captivating, and refreshingly real modern-day romance from start to finish. After a string of disappointing dating experiences, Katherine shares how a trip to Paris — and one bold move into a restaurant kitchen — led her to where she is today. In this heartwarming episode, we’re unpacking how intuition, risk-taking, and a little romantic courage can change everything.

But first, in Updates, Ali is back from Japan and preparing for her housewarming with Skyline (with a few cranky moments along the way!). We’re also looking forward to upcoming pod topics and previewing a new guest!

Where to find Katherine: On Instagram @k.w.bogen, on Threads @k.w.bogen, and on TikTok @sexualityscholar. Pre-Order Katherine's book Queering Him here.

Timestamps: Katherine joins us at around minute 31.

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