Personal Injury Mastermind

285. Best of PIMCON: Traditional Marketing


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Alexander Shunnarah, Ed Herman, and John Berry - powerhouses of traditional marketing share their insights on combining traditional and digital marketing approaches to create memorable brands and attract ideal clients.


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  • In today’s special episode of Personal Injury Mastermind — LIVE from PIMCON — we successful law firms are leveraging traditional marketing strategies in the modern age. We discuss:

    • Managing attribution challenges in traditional marketing
    • Building brand awareness vs. brand loyalty in legal services
    • The importance of memorability and creating memorable content
    • Developing clear brand messaging for billboards
    • Tips for maintaining brand consistency across different practice areas
    • Leveraging traditional marketing for community engagement

    • Guest Details

      Alexander Shannara - Founder, Alexander Shannara Trial Attorneys

      LinkedIn, Instagram, Website

      Mitri Shatara - Marketing Director, Alexander Shannara Trial Attorneys

      LinkedIn, Instagram

      Ed Herman - Managing Partner, Brown and Crouppen

      LinkedIn, Instagram, Website

      Jeremy Corray - Executive Vice President, Cool Fire Studios

      LinkedIn, Instagram, Website

      John Berry - CEO, Berry Law

      LinkedIn, Instagram, Website

      Chris Dreyer and Rankings Details

      Chris Dreyer is the CEO and founder of Rankings.io, the elite legal digital marketing agency. 

      • Rankings: Website, Instagram, Twitter
      • Chris Dreyer: Website, Instagram
      • Newsletters: The Dreyer Sheet 
      • Books: Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT; Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize
      • Work with Rankings: Connect

      • Time Stamps

        00:00 Intro

        00:40 Welcome: Future of Traditional Marketing Overview 

        01:14 Impressions & Impact: Mitri Shatara's Marketing Metrics 

        02:00 Billboard Evolution: Alexander Shannara's Journey from 2008 

        03:11 Traditional Marketing Challenges: Cost, Personalization & Attribution 

        05:28 Brand Awareness vs. Brand Loyalty: The Marketing Evolution 

        07:29 Modern Marketing Mix: From "Spray and Pray" to Targeted Approach 

        09:07 Tech Stack Integration: HubSpot & Digital Solutions 

        11:00 Memorable Marketing: Ed Herman & Jeremy Corray on Creating Connection 

        14:00 Brand Affection Strategy: Moving Beyond Awareness 

        15:35 Community Content: Three Lawyers Eating Sandwiches 

        16:39 Authenticity in Marketing: The Power of Genuine Content 

        18:00 Finding Your Voice: Working with Non-Natural Performers 

        20:22 Brand Identity: John Berry on Three-Word Brand Definition 

        21:00 Veterans First Strategy: Berry Law's Focused Approach 

        22:05 Billboard Branding: The 2-Second Rule 

        24:00 Community Integration: Building Brand Through Local Involvement 

        27:07 Outro


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