Daniel Goldberg is a medical historian, a public health ethicist, a lawyer and has practiced BJJ for 8 years. It was great to have him on the podcast to talk about the course of the Covid-19 pandemic and when we might be able to get back to normal. 00:50 - Introduction to Daniel Goldberg 06:09 - On the difficulty of persuading the unpersuadable 08:02 - How the current pandemic has many historical precedents 12:20 - Vaccine distribution in the USA 19:30 - What happens when everyone make individual choices during a pandemic 22:30 - Why have black, indigenous and latino communities have been rampaged with the virus? 27:45 - Covid-19 vs the Spanish flu 36:15 - Conspiracy theories about Covid-19 and where does distrust of experts come from 44:40 - How to talk to a covid denialist 1:00:20 - Politicians jumping to the front of the vaccination line 1:05:20 - Long term effects of Covid-19 1:12:30 - The BJJ community and Covid-19 1:17:10 - Would paying people to stay home really have worked? 1:25:00 - When might we all return to jiu-jitsu?