Recently, I posted a clip from Justin Zhong, the satellite leader of Sure Foundation Baptist Church – and NIFB church in Indianapolis, IN.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C-bBCruy-DK/?hl=en

The comments were swarmed by NIFB congregants from churches led by leaders in that movement, such as Steven Anderson, Roger Jimenez, and, of course, Aaron Thompson and Justin Zhong.

The discourse and arguments being made by this group were so silly that we just had to take a bit of time to talk about it.

After recording for a podcast I co-hosted with my friends, Travis and Jackie Chappell – we took 30 minutes to have a casual off-the-cuff conversation about the insanity of the NIFB world.

Jackie grew up adjacent to the NIFB – and actually went to school with Roger Jimenez – and her sister shared her experience in-depth on a past episode (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/preacher-boys-podcast/id1493726980?i=1000547637989)

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