In the first TALKS Episode of 2025, Tim candidly converses with historian Jemar Tisby about the complexities of remaining in or leaving white evangelical churches. They explore the historical context of race and religion, the structural issues within evangelicalism, and the implications of Christian nationalism. The discussion also touches on personal journeys of faith, the challenges of navigating community ties, and the importance of discerning one's place within these church systems. In this conversation, Tim and Jemar explore the complexities of institutional change within the white evangelical church, emphasizing the need for systemic repentance and the potential for a mass exodus from these spaces.

Jemar's Website | Jemartisby.com

Jemar's Substack | Jemartisby.substack.com

Chapters

04:00 Meet Jemar Tisby: Historian and Author

08:46 The Dilemma: Stay or Leave the Church?

13:00 Understanding the Structural Issues in White Evangelicalism

24:13 The Religion of Whiteness: A Sociological Perspective

35:54 Leaving Loudly vs. Quiet Exodus: A Personal Reflection

39:39 Navigating Institutional Change

46:13 The Need for a Mass Exodus

54:10 The Impact of Political Dynamics on Faith

01:10:42 Practical Steps for Engaging with Marginalized Communities

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