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In this eye-opening episode Valerie is a guest on the Inside Out Podcast with Ian Wilkes and Jim Bennett, where they dive deep into the complexities of women's roles within the LDS Church, locking in on the recent garment policy shifts. 

You might be surprised to learn Valerie’s take on this topic. A hint: adding women leaders to these policy-making gatherings is NOT the answer to this conundrum where it seems that thousands of LDS women across the belief & practice spectrum are frustrated.  Tune in to explore a thought-provoking discussion on equality, institutional overreach, and the beauty (and simplicity) that unfolds when humans are given the dignity to manage their own underwear drawers. 

00:00 Introduction and Welcome

00:31 Jim's Experience in Argentina

01:47 Special Guest: Valerie Hamaker

02:16 Valerie's Background and Podcast

04:50 Challenges of Patriarchy in the Church

06:18 Authority and Decision Making in the Church

16:35 Impact of Patriarchy on Men and Women

22:17 Garment Controversy and Gender Equality

30:21 Church Surveys and Member Feedback

35:38 The Problems with Fundamentalism

36:38 Controlling Dress and Underwear

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