In this episode, Kaila and Kyle discuss the pivotal life experiences that helped them in their careers in unexpected ways. Listen to hear Kaila and Kyle’s personal stories of rock-bottom moments and personal epiphanies that have ultimately made them better at their jobs.

00:00 Intro

03:13 Kyle’s biggest experience with failure

08:06 Kaila’s biggest experience with failure

11:54 The non-work things that have contributed to Kaila’s and Kyle’s careers

16:35 What Kyle learned from making his first podcast

19:28 An early epiphany in Kaila’s career

21:55 The international experience that changed Kaila’s perspective

27:40 What Kyle’s learned about cold-emailing people he admires

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