In this episode, I sit down with my longtime friend Pat Flynn to explore the creative process… not from strategy, but from center.

Pat and I talk about what it looks like to create without pressure to learn everything all at once, to unsubscribe from all the distractions without losing clarity, and to build something meaningful without needing to chase every bit of information calling for your attention.

We explore how his newest book, Lean Learning, emerged not just as a productivity tool, but as a reflection of his own journey toward presence, freedom, and focused execution.

This conversation isn’t about hacks or hustle. It’s about alignment. Trust. And the art of listening to your own inner knowing.

If you’ve ever felt stuck between your ideas and your execution…

If you’ve struggled with overthinking, perfectionism, or trying to learn too much…

This episode may open a new door for you.

Pat’s honesty, clarity, and humility shine here. And I believe you’ll walk away with not just insight, but peace.

You can get Pat’s book, Lean Learning, at leanlearningbook.com