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If cats and dogs and rats and hamsters are our fur babies, what happens to them when human babies enter the picture? We unpack the life changes that occur, what our pets really think about it and why we treat our pets like they're humans. 

Plus, a podcast worth bingeing and an Australian icon whose midlife vulnerability rocks Holly and Mia - it’s recommendations. 

And our best and worst of the week, including Mia’s Logies’ dilemma, Jessie’s mid-week date night and the best piece of advice Holly has received in forever. 

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Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Mia Freedman & Jessie Stephens

Producer: Emeline Gazilas

Audio Production: Leah Porges

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