Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

An Interview With the Herald of the Apocalypse


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Is artificial intelligence about to take your job? According to Daniel Kokotajlo, the executive director of the A.I. Futures Project, that should be the least of your worries. Kokotajlo was once a researcher for OpenAI, but left after losing confidence in the company’s commitment to A.I. safety. This week, he joins Ross to talk about “AI 2027,” a series of predictions and warnings about the risks A.I. poses to humanity in the coming years, from radically transforming the economy to developing armies of robots.

  • 03:59 - What effect could AI have on jobs?
  • 06:45 - But wait, how does this make society richer?
  • 10:08 - Robot plumbers and electricians
  • 14:53 - The geopolitical stakes
  • 18:58 - AI’s honesty problem
  • 22:43 - The fork in the road
  • 27:55 - The best case scenario
  • 29:38 - The power structure in an AI-dominated world
  • 32:32 - What AI leaders think about this power structure
  • 38:30 - AI's hallucinations and limitations
  • 43:45 - Theories of AI consciousness
  • 47:05 - Is AI consciousness inevitable?
  • 50:59 - Humanity in an AI-dominated world

(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.) 

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