In this powerful conversation, Pastor Payton flips the script on how mental health professionals engage with spirituality. For clients whose faith is central to their identity, it’s not just relevant — it’s essential. Payton makes the case that integrating spiritual life into clinical work isn’t just respectful; it’s transformative.

He shares what he looks for in a trusted therapist, how counselors can build real relationships with local churches (without feeling like they’re pitching a service), and why speaking the language of faith can open doors to deeper healing and collaboration. Whether you're a clinician working in Christian spaces or someone curious about bridging the sacred and the clinical, this episode is a must-listen.

It’s not about marketing. It’s about ministry. And it starts with showing up.

12:34 The Challenge of Reaching Out 14:31 Dealing with Resistant Pastors 17:29 Mental Health Trends in the Church 20:11 How Therapists Can Support Pastors 23:49 Follow-Up is Crucial 30:10 Connecting with the Right Counselor 31:13 Sensitivity to Client Needs

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