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In Don't @ Me (1:55), Tom opens with a warning to beware of the "just curious." Then, Tom is joined by Rosa Perez-Isiah (9:25) to discuss what it means to create a school culture of equity and access. Finally, in Assessment Corner (51:24), Tom highlights an assessment mantra that brings assessment into balance in any classroom.
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In Don't @ Me (2:35), Tom opens by sharing an observation about our convenient relationship with research. Then, Tom is joined by Ken Williams (14:32) to discuss his forthcoming book "Ruthless Equity." Finally, in Assessment Corner (1:03:21), Tom discusses what he believes is an unnecessary overkill when it comes to assessment methods.
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In Don't @ Me (2:04), Tom opens by sharing a personal mantra he uses when the to-do list is piling up and the workload is relentless. Then, Tom is joined by Sascha Heckmann (10:25) who is the Assistant Superintendent for Innovation & Learning at the American School Foundation of Monterrey, Mexico. Finally, in Assessment Corner (45:38), Tom discusses the art of corrections and how we can provide feedback & guidance but still accurately assess students independently.
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In Don't @ Me (2:36), Tom opens with an observation about how people have a funny relationship with money. Then, Tom is joined by MS Assistant Principal and the host of the Teachers on Fire podcast, Tim Cavey (13:50) for a conversation about an array of educational topics. Finally, in Assessment Corner (49:08), Tom answers a listener question about High School GPA, credit & grade determination.
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In Don't @ Me (2:09), Tom calls on all educators to advocate their positions honestly, rather than resorting to creating caricatures on the other side of a debate. Then, Tom is joined by Dr. Thomas Murrary (9:33) for a conversation about what means for students to be "future-ready." Finally, in Assessment Corner (57:05), Tom (in part 3 of 3) shares his thoughts on which assessment & grading practices are trauma-informed, as they serve to create an atmosphere of calm rather than fear.
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In Don't @ Me (2:25), Tom expresses his concern that we - educators and society as a whole - are on the verge of ruining "Wordle," the online viral trend of 2022 so far. Then, Tom is joined by adjunct professor and podcast host Allison Dillard (10:09) for a conversation about MAth instruction. Finally, in Assessment Corner (46:41), Tom (in part 2 of 3) shares his thoughts on why being trauma-informed with our assessment practices is needed.
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In Don't @ Me (2:51), Tom opens with a question about why society defers to the younger generations to set societal norms and whether they ever get it wrong. Then, the podcast circles back (17:01) to previous guests and how they each defined success. Finally, in Assessment Corner (37:13), Tom begins a three-part exploration or think aloud about trauma-informed assessment practices; part one this week focuses is on the emotional side of assessment.
In Don't @ Me (2:05), Tom opens with a warning about how overusing words will ruin them and weaken their impact. Then, Tom is joined by renowned researcher, Susan Brookhart (10:48) for a conversation about a breadth of assessment and grading topics. Finally, in Assessment Corner (1:02:27), Tom shares some experiences he's had in supporting schools and districts in their efforts to transform their assessment and grading cultures and why you, especially if you are part of leading this effort, need to trust the process.
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In Don't @ Me (2:50), Tom opens this week with a simple question that can shift your mindset away from self-doubt. Then, Tom is joined by educator and author, Heather Lyon (13:15) for a conversation about student engagement. Finally, in Assessment Corner (57:30), Tom revisits an important residual effect of formative assessment and that is becoming more instructional efficient.
In Don't @ Me (1:52), Tom opens this week with a rant about how he's had enough with the educational fluff that seems to be more prominent than ever. Then, Tom is joined by educator, author, and EdTech expert Dr. Monica Burns (12:10) for a conversation about how to effectively and efficiently infuse technology into our classroom practices. Finally, in Assessment Corner (51:48), Tom highlights one simple question you can use to audit your assessment practices and know whether or not it’s something you should continue to utilize.
From the publisher's feed
Assess THAT with Tom & Nat is a bi-weekly podcast where co-hosts Tom Schimmer and Natalie Vardabasso unpack what it really means to deepen assessment literacy in schools. Known for their dynamic, insightful, and sometimes provocative conversations, Tom and Nat create a space where educators can rethink grading, feedback, and accountability in ways that put student learning first. Each episode blends practical strategies with big-picture thinking, helping teachers and leaders translate research into action without losing sight of the human side of education.
Listeners can expect honest discussions, fresh perspectives, and plenty of take-home ideas. From reimagining final exams to exploring the role of assessment in equity and Universal Design for Learning, Assess THAT is for any educator ready to challenge the status quo and embrace assessment as a tool for growth—not just measurement.
About the Hosts
Tom Schimmer and Natalie Vardabasso are internationally recognized speakers, authors, and consultants who have spent their careers helping schools modernize assessment and grading practices. Together, they are the co-founders of the Canadian Assessment Centre (CAC), a national professional learning hub created by Canadians, for Canadians to bring clarity, credibility, and care to assessment in classrooms across the country.
Tom Schimmer is the author and co-author of multiple best-selling books, including Grading from the Inside Out and Standards-Based Learning in Action. With 35 years of experience as a teacher, leader, and consultant, Tom is known for his ability to translate big ideas into practical tools educators can use right away.
Natalie Vardabasso is a leading voice in assessment and equity, recognized for her innovative approaches to standards-based learning, feedback, and student agency. As a speaker, writer, and coach, she has helped thousands of educators create assessment systems that are not only accurate but also deeply humanizing.
Together, Tom and Natalie bring complementary perspectives, humour, and a deep commitment to making assessment meaningful. Their partnership in Assess THAT and at the Canadian Assessment Centre reflects a shared belief that when educators improve how they assess, they unlock the full potential of every learner.
Tom and Natalie are also the authors of Rehumanizing Assessment: Gathering Evidence of Learning Through Storytelling, a book that challenges traditional grading systems and shows how assessment can honour student voice and identity.
Why Listen?
Whether you’re a classroom teacher, school leader, or policy maker, Assess THAT with Tom & Nat will challenge your assumptions, equip you with actionable strategies, and inspire you to see assessment as the most powerful driver of student success.

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