Assess THAT with Tom & Nat! (Assessment, Feedback, Grading, and Learning)

Assess THAT with Tom & Nat! (Assessment, Feedback, Grading, and Learning)

By Tom SchimmerEducation
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Assess THAT with Tom & Nat! (Assessment, Feedback, Grading, and Learning) episodes

  • Must Be Measurable | John Hattie | The Good Ol’ Test

    In Don’t @ Me (2:37), Tom shares his thoughts on how anything schools want to count in the court of public opinion must be measurable. Then, Tom is joined by Dr. John Hattie (12:25) for part two of a conversation about the Visible Learning research. Finally, in Assessment Corner (52:38), Tom discusses the good ol’ test, and how it can still fit within a balanced approach to assessment.

     

    • Visible Learning Website: www.visible-learning.org
  • Hattie Foundation Website: www.hattieff.org
  •  

    NEW BOOKS BY TOM:

    • "Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"

     

    • "Jackpot: Nurturing Student Investment through Assessment"

     

     

    UPCOMING PROFESSIONAL LEARNING

     

    • Grading from the Inside Out (2-Day Workshop) 
  •  
    • Minneapolis, MN (December 1-2, 2022)
    • Register Here

     

    • Michigan Assessment Consortium
    • November 2, 2022 (1:00-3:30pm ET)
    • Register Here

     

    CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER

  • Twitter: @TomSchimmerPod
  • Twitter: @TomSchimmer
  • Instagram: @tomschimmerpodcast
  • TikTok: @tomschimmerpodcast
  • Facebook: Schimmer Education
  • Website: www.tomschimmer.com
  •  

    1 hr 5 min
  • Quiet Quitting | John Hattie | Willful Distortion

    In Don’t @ Me (2:15), Tom shares his thoughts on the recent social media phenomenon called "Quiet Quitting." Then, Tom is joined by Dr. John Hattie (12:16) for part one of a conversation about the Visible Learning research. Finally, in Assessment Corner (51:11), Tom discusses why it might be time to push back against those who push back at the elimination of punitive grading practices.

     

    • Visible Learning Website: www.visible-learning.org
  • Hattie Foundation Website: www.hattieff.org
  •  

    NEW BOOKS BY TOM:

    • "Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"

     

    • "Jackpot: Nurturing Student Investment through Assessment"

     

     

    UPCOMING PROFESSIONAL LEARNING

     

    • Grading from the Inside Out (2-Day Workshop) 
    • Virtual Workshop (Octo. 4 & 11, 2022)
    • Register Here
  •  
    • Minneapolis, MN (December 1-2, 2022)
    • Register Here

     

     

    • Teach Better Conference (CODE: Schimmer22)
    • Akron, OH (October 14-15, 2022)
    • Register Here

     

    • Michigan Assessment Consortium
    • November 2, 2022 (1:00-3:30pm ET)
    • Register Here

     

    CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER

  • Twitter: @TomSchimmerPod
  • Twitter: @TomSchimmer
  • Instagram: @tomschimmerpodcast
  • TikTok: @tomschimmerpodcast
  • Facebook: Schimmer Education
  • Website: www.tomschimmer.com
  •  

    1 hr 1 min
  • Can You Be Led? | Connie Hamilton | Fractured Relationship

    In Don’t @ Me (2:53), Tom opens by asking us all to consider whether we can set our egos aside and be open to being led. Then, Tom is joined by educator and author Connie Hamilton (9:33) to discuss her book, “Hacking Questions: 11 Answers that Create a Culture of Inquiry in your Classroom.” Finally, in Assessment Corner (47:38), Tom identifies the six most common ways the relationship between the formative and summative assessment paradigms gets fractured, making grading reform more difficult.

     

    • Connie on Twitter: @conniehamilton
  • Connie on Linkedin: Connie Hamilton
  • Connie's Website: www.conniehamilton.org
  •  

    NEW BOOKS BY TOM:

    • "Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"

     

    • "Jackpot: Nurturing Student Investment through Assessment"

     

     

    UPCOMING PROFESSIONAL LEARNING

     

    • Grading from the Inside Out (2-Day Workshop) 
    • Long Beach, CA (September 21-22, 2022)
    • Register Here
    • Virtual Workshop (Octo. 4 & 11, 2022)
    • Register Here
  •  
    • Minneapolis, MN (December 1-2, 2022)
    • Register Here

     

     

    • Teach Better Conference (CODE: Schimmer22)
    • Akron, OH (October 14-15, 2022)
    • Register Here

     

    • Michigan Assessment Consortium
    • November 2, 2022 (1:00-3:30pm ET)
    • Register Here

     

    CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER

  • Twitter: @TomSchimmerPod
  • Twitter: @TomSchimmer
  • Instagram: @tomschimmerpodcast
  • TikTok: @tomschimmerpodcast
  • Facebook: Schimmer Education
  • Website: www.tomschimmer.com
  •  

    1 hr 6 min
  • Reborn a Critic | Livia Chan | Synthesizing Standards

    In Don't @ Me (5:29), Tom declares that in his next life, he wants to return as a critic. Then, Tom is joined by author, speaker, and Teach Better Digital Coordinator Livia Chan (11:16) to discuss the importance of building strong relationships with our students. Finally, in Assessment Corner (55:48), Tom talks about why synthesizing our standards is the only way to authentically cover and assess them.

     

    • Livia on Twitter: @LiviaChanL
  • Livia on Instagram: @liviachanl
  • Livia on Facebook: Livia Chan
  • Livia on Linkedin: Livia Chan
  • Livia's Website: www.livchan.com
  •  

    NEW BOOKS BY TOM:

    • "Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"

     

    • "Jackpot: Nurturing Student Investment through Assessment"

     

     

    UPCOMING PROFESSIONAL LEARNING

     

    • Grading from the Inside Out (2-Day Workshop) 
    • Long Beach, CA (September 21-22, 2022)
    • Register Here
    • Virtual Workshop (Octo. 4 & 11, 2022)
    • Register Here
  •  
    • Minneapolis, MN (December 1-2, 2022)
    • Register Here

     

     

    • Teach Better Conference (CODE: Schimmer22)
    • Akron, OH (October 14-15, 2022)
    • Register Here

     

     

    CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER

  • Twitter: @TomSchimmerPod
  • Twitter: @TomSchimmer
  • Instagram: @tomschimmerpodcast
  • TikTok: @tomschimmerpodcast
  • Facebook: Schimmer Education
  • Website: www.tomschimmer.com
  •  

    1 hr 10 min
  • Answer the Question | Joe Sanfelippo | Jackpot!

    In Don't @ Me (2:41), Tom shares his thoughts on why it is so important to answer people's questions, especially in online forums, and why performative pontifications are the highest form of disrespect. Then, Tom is joined by Joe Sanfelippo (8:35) to discuss effective school and district leadership. Finally, in Assessment Corner (51:28), Tom talks about why student investment is the ultimate Jackpot regarding our assessment literacy.

     

    • Joe on Twitter: @Joe_Sanfelippo
  • Joe on Instagram: @joe_sanfelippo
  • Joe on Linkedin: Joe Sanfelippo
  • Joe's Website: www.jsanfelippo.com
  •  

    NEW BOOKS BY TOM:

    • "Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"

     

    • "Jackpot: Nurturing Student Investment through Assessment"

     

     

    UPCOMING PROFESSIONAL LEARNING

     

    • Grading from the Inside Out (2-Day Workshop) 
    • Long Beach, CA (September 21-22, 2022)
    • Register Here
    • Virtual Workshop (Octo. 4 & 11, 2022)
    • Register Here
  •  
    • Minneapolis, MN (December 1-2, 2022)
    • Register Here

     

     

    • Teach Better Conference (CODE: Schimmer22)
    • Akron, OH (October 14-15, 2022)
    • Register Here

     

     

    CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER

  • Twitter: @TomSchimmerPod
  • Twitter: @TomSchimmer
  • Instagram: @tomschimmerpodcast
  • TikTok: @tomschimmerpodcast
  • Facebook: Schimmer Education
  • Website: www.tomschimmer.com
  •  

    1 hr 4 min
  • Spoiler Rules | Lindsay Titus | Sustaining Change

    In Don't @ Me (3:21), Tom outlines what he believes the societal rules surrounding "no spoilers" should be. Then, Tom is joined by Lindsay Titus (11:19) to discuss how educators can maintain some semblance of balance through the inevitable stress that comes with any school year. Finally, in "Assess THAT with Tom & Nat" (51:46), Tom and special guest Natalie Vardabasso talk about how to sustain change efforts in assessment & grading.

    • Lindsay on Twitter: @ltitus828
  • Lindsay on Instagram: @lindsaytitusedu
  • Lindsay's Website: www.defineyouniversity.com
  • Podcast: Define YOUniversity
  •  

    NEW BOOKS BY TOM:

    • "Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"

     

    • "Jackpot: Nurturing Student Investment through Assessment"

     

     

    UPCOMING PROFESSIONAL LEARNING

     

    • Grading from the Inside Out (2-Day Workshop) 
    • Long Beach, CA (September 21-22, 2022)
    • Register Here
    • Minneapolis, MN (December 1-2, 2022)
    • Register Here

     

     

    • Teach Better Conference (CODE: Schimmer22)
    • Akron, OH (October 14-15, 2022)
    • Register Here

     

     

    CONNECT WITH NATALIE VARDABASSO

    • Nat on Twitter: @natabasso
  • EduCrush on Twitter: @educrushpod
  • EduCrush Podcast: #EduCrush on Apple
  • Empowerment Ecosystem: Book Here!
  •  

    CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER

  • Twitter: @TomSchimmerPod
  • Twitter: @TomSchimmer
  • Instagram: @tomschimmerpodcast
  • TikTok: @tomschimmerpodcast
  • Facebook: Schimmer Education
  • Website: www.tomschimmer.com
  •  

    1 hr 18 min
  • Teaching Still Matters | Lainie Rowell | Leadership Blindspots

    In Don't @ Me (2:32), Tom expresses his frustration with those teachers who seem to want to run away from referring to themselves as "teachers."  Then, Tom is joined by Lainie Rowell (11:24) to discuss her latest book, "Evolving with Gratitude: Small Practices in Learning Communities That Make a Big Difference with Kids, Peers, and the World."  Finally, in "Assess THAT with Tom & Nat" (57:11), Tom and special guest Natalie Vardabasso talk about some Leadership Blindspots when it comes to leading the efforts to create a new assessment and grading paradigm in a school.

    • Lainie on Twitter: @LainieRowell
  • Lainie on Instagram: @lainierowell
  • Lainie on Facebook: Lainie Rowell
  • Lainie on LinkedIn: Lainie Rowell
  • EWG on Apple Podcasts: EWG Podcast
  • EWG on Spotify: EWG Podcast
  •  

    NEW BOOKS BY TOM:

    • "Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"

     

    • "Jackpot: Nurturing Student Investment through Assessment"

     

     

    UPCOMING PROFESSIONAL LEARNING

     

    • Grading from the Inside Out (2-Day Workshop) 
    • Long Beach, CA (September 21-22, 2022)
    • Register Here
    • Minneapolis, MN (December 1-2, 2022)
    • Register Here

     

     

    • Teach Better Conference (CODE: Schimmer22)
    • Akron, OH (October 14-15, 2022)
    • Register Here

     

     

    CONNECT WITH NATALIE VARDABASSO

    • Nat on Twitter: @natabasso
  • EduCrush on Twitter: @educrushpod
  • EduCrush Podcast: #EduCrush on Apple
  •  

    CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER

  • Twitter: @TomSchimmerPod
  • Twitter: @TomSchimmer
  • Instagram: @tomschimmerpodcast
  • TikTok: @tomschimmerpodcast
  • Facebook: Schimmer Education
  • Website: www.tomschimmer.com
  •  

    1 hr 16 min
  • We Must Listen | Nathan Wear | Gradeless vs Grade Less

    In Don't @ Me (2:36), Tom expresses his concern that if we can't listen to one another and empathize without agreeing, then the divides in our society will further deepen. Then, Tom is joined by Nathan Wear (14:02) to discuss his book, "Making Grades Matter: Standards-Based Grading in a Secondary PLC at Work."  Finally, in "Assess THAT with Tom & Nat" (52:13), Tom and special guest Natalie Vardabasso talk about whether it's "Gradeless" or "Grade Less."

    • Nathan on Twitter: @Nathan_Wear
  • MGM on Twitter: @GradesMatterSBG
  •  

    NEW BOOK BY TOM:

    • "Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"

     

     

    UPCOMING PROFESSIONAL LEARNING

     

    • Grading from the Inside Out (2-Day Workshop) 
    • Long Beach, CA (September 21-22, 2022)
    • Register Here
    • Minneapolis, MN (December 1-2, 2022)
    • Register Here

     

     

    • Teach Better Conference (CODE: Schimmer22)
    • Akron, OH (October 14-15, 2022)
    • Register Here

     

     

    CONNECT WITH NATALIE VARDABASSO

    • Nat on Twitter: @natabasso
  • EduCrush on Twitter: @educrushpod
  • EduCrush Podcast: #EduCrush on Apple
  •  

    CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER

  • Twitter: @TomSchimmerPod
  • Twitter: @TomSchimmer
  • Instagram: @tomschimmerpodcast
  • TikTok: @tomschimmerpodcast
  • Facebook: Schimmer Education
  • Website: www.tomschimmer.com
  •  

    1 hr 22 min
  • Friends like Family | Gholdy Muhammad | Assessing Competencies

    In Don't @ Me (2:16), Tom reflects after a camping trip about his core group of friends who are more like family. Then, Tom is joined by Gholdy Muhammad (11:51) to discuss her book, "Cultivating Genius, an Equity Framework for Culturally and Historically Responsive Literacy."  Finally, in "Assess THAT with Tom & Nat" (46:40), Tom and special guest Natalie Vardabasso talk about how to assess 21st-century competencies.

    • Gholdy on Twitter: @GholdyM
  • Gholdy on Instagram: @gholdym
  •  

    NEW BOOK BY TOM:

    • "Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"

     

     

    UPCOMING PROFESSIONAL LEARNING

     

    • Grading from the Inside Out (2-Day Workshop) 
    • Long Beach, CA (September 21-22, 2022)
    • Register Here
    • Minneapolis, MN (December 1-2, 2022)
    • Register Here

     

     

    • Teach Better Conference (CODE: Schimmer22)
    • Akron, OH (October 14-15, 2022)
    • Register Here

     

     

    CONNECT WITH NATALIE VARDABASSO

    • Nat on Twitter: @natabasso
  • EduCrush on Twitter: @educrushpod
  • EduCrush Podcast: #EduCrush on Apple
  •  

    CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER

  • Twitter: @TomSchimmerPod
  • Twitter: @TomSchimmer
  • Instagram: @tomschimmerpodcast
  • TikTok: @tomschimmerpodcast
  • Facebook: Schimmer Education
  • Website: www.tomschimmer.com
  •  

    1 hr 6 min
  • Tales from MTL | Tyrone McNeil | Assessment Analogies

    In Don't @ Me (2:53), Tom recounts his trip to Montreal with his son to see their first-ever Formula 1 race. Then, Tom is joined by FNESC President Tyrone McNeil (19:46) to discuss the state of indigenous education. Finally, in "Assess THAT with Tom & Nat" (1:04:56), Tom and special guest Natalie Vardabasso talk about some effective analogies that help clarify some complex assessment topics.

    • Tyrone on Twitter: @STCTye
  • Tyrone on LinkedIn: Tyrone McNeil
  •  

    NEW BOOK BY TOM:

    • "Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"

     

     

    UPCOMING PROFESSIONAL LEARNING

     

    • Annual Conference on Assessment & Grading 
    • Austin, TX (July 18-20, 2022)
    • Register Here

     

     

    • Grading from the Inside Out (2-Day Workshop) 
    • Long Beach, CA (September 21-22, 2022)
    • Register Here
    • Minneapolis, MN (December 1-2, 2022)
    • Register Here

     

     

    • Teach Better Conference (CODE: Schimmer22)
    • Akron, OH (October 14-15, 2022)
    • Register Here

     

     

    CONNECT WITH NATALIE VARDABASSO

    • Nat on Twitter: @natabasso
  • EduCrush on Twitter: @educrushpod
  • EduCrush Podcast: #EduCrush on Apple
  •  

    CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER

  • Twitter: @TomSchimmerPod
  • Twitter: @TomSchimmer
  • Instagram: @tomschimmerpodcast
  • TikTok: @tomschimmerpodcast
  • Facebook: Schimmer Education
  • Website: www.tomschimmer.com
  •  

    1 hr 24 min

About Assess THAT with Tom & Nat! (Assessment, Feedback, Grading, and Learning)

From the publisher's feed

Assess THAT with Tom & Nat is a bi-weekly podcast where co-hosts Tom Schimmer and Natalie Vardabasso unpack what it really means to deepen assessment literacy in schools. Known for their dynamic, insightful, and sometimes provocative conversations, Tom and Nat create a space where educators can rethink grading, feedback, and accountability in ways that put student learning first. Each episode blends practical strategies with big-picture thinking, helping teachers and leaders translate research into action without losing sight of the human side of education.

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