I started a podcast as a hack.

I wanted to speak to my heroes.

If you email Seth Godin, Debbie Millman or Oliver Jeffers and ask for an hour of their time, the answer will probably be no.

A podcast is the cheat code to having a conversation you never imagined you’d have and this week I get to tick another hero off of my list and share it with you.

Oliver Jeffers has sold 18million books.

But the first thing I asked about was his dip paintings. Because, it’s one of my all time favourite art projects.

We spoke about Oliver’s long career as an author, illustrator and artist and navigating between them. This will be an episode I come back to many times. I hope you enjoy it.

If you do - tell a stranger on the bus about it.

Oliver’s links:

Website - oliverjeffers.com

Insta - @oliverjeffers

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