Ben Patrick—widely known as “Knees Over Toes Guy”—joins Judd Lienhard to challenge the long-standing myth that you should never let your knees pass your toes. They dig into the science, history, and practical regressions that make deep squats and full-range leg training safe and effective. Ben shares how Charles Poliquin influenced his approach, why he avoided fighting back against online hate, and how he built a simple, scalable system for stronger, healthier knees. This episode also explores fatherhood, purpose, and why collaboration beats criticism in the fitness industry.

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