With Paul still benched, Rob runs instead with lovely Ben Willbond - through the usual parts of North London, but on some new routes. Featuring Ben's knee, the Captain's challenge, the decision making skills of pregnant women, closed toilet drama, marathon memories, the deleterious effects of falling over as a career, Ben's mountain-related hopes, good and bad parenting, Horrible Histories and Ghosts, writing insights, complicity in comedy - whether it's sitcoms or stand-up - 'who's attached?', Rob's bulging backpack, whether the Mountain Rescue cover Highgate Woods, and running listening to music.

Many thanks to Ben; there'll be another exciting guest for you next week, but then...

PAUL TONKINSON WILL RETURN.

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