In episode 11 of The OCD Stories podcast I interviewed Jeff Bell & Shala Nicely. Jeff and Shala have a personal and professional journey with OCD, and have come together to create Beyond The Doubt.

Show notes:

Shala & Jeff's OCD story (2:10)

What worked other then ERP/CBT? (14:20)

The importance of meaning (17:10)

Seeing the Universe as friendly (22:45)

Power of personal responsibility (26:30)

How to deal with dull looming anxiety (38:00)

“The only way to effectively manage uncertainty, is to embrace uncertainty?” (32:30)

Advice for conquering ERP (41:40)

The ultimate goal for OCD recovery (46:30)

Shala's advice for changing careers and becoming a therapist (49:20)

The purpose behind BeyondTheDoubt.com (56:30)

The one piece of advice (59:30)

What Jeff and Shala would have on their billboard (1:01:00)

Find out more about Chris and Kelly:

Beyond The Doubt - BeyondTheDoubt.com

Twitter: Jeff / Shala

Shala's website - ShalaNicely.com

Jeff's initiative - Adversity to Advocacy

Jeff's books: Rewind, replay, repeat (Amazon.co.uk/Amazon.com) & When in doubt, make belief (Amazon.co.uk/Amazon.com)

Resources mentioned:

Jon Hershfield

Viktor Frankl's book Man's search for meaning (Amazon.co.uk / Amazon.com)

Tamar Chansky's book Freeing Your Child from Obsessive-compulsive Disorder (Amazom.co.uk/Amazon.com)

Steven Hayes' podcast episode

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