Brain Inspired

BI 110 Catherine Stinson and Jessica Thompson: Neuro-AI Explanation


Listen Later

Catherine, Jess, and I use some of the ideas from their recent papers to discuss how different types of explanations in neuroscience and AI could be unified into explanations of intelligence, natural or artificial. Catherine has written about how models are related to the target system they are built to explain. She suggests both the model and the target system should be considered as instantiations of a specific kind of phenomenon, and explanation is a product of relating the model and the target system to that specific aspect they both share. Jess has suggested we shift our focus of explanation from objects - like a brain area or a deep learning model - to the shared class of phenomenon performed by those objects. Doing so may help bridge the gap between the different forms of explanation currently used in neuroscience and AI. We also discuss Henk de Regt's conception of scientific understanding and its relation to explanation (they're different!), and plenty more.

  • Catherine's website.
  • Jessica's blog.
  • Twitter: Jess: @tsonj.
  • Related papers
    • From Implausible Artificial Neurons to Idealized Cognitive Models: Rebooting Philosophy of Artificial Intelligence - Catherine
    • Forms of explanation and understanding for neuroscience and artificial intelligence - Jess
  • Jess is a postdoc in Chris Summerfield's lab, and Chris and San Gershman were on a recent episode.
  • Understanding Scientific Understanding by Henk de Regt.

Timestamps:

0:00 - Intro
11:11 - Background and approaches
27:00 - Understanding distinct from explanation
36:00 - Explanations as programs (early explanation)
40:42 - Explaining classes of phenomena
52:05 - Constitutive (neuro) vs. etiological (AI) explanations
1:04:04 - Do nonphysical objects count for explanation?
1:10:51 - Advice for early philosopher/scientists

...more
View all episodesView all episodes
Download on the App Store

Brain InspiredBy Paul Middlebrooks

  • 4.8
  • 4.8
  • 4.8
  • 4.8
  • 4.8

4.8

134 ratings


More shows like Brain Inspired

View all
Very Bad Wizards by Tamler Sommers & David Pizarro

Very Bad Wizards

2,673 Listeners

Nature Podcast by Springer Nature Limited

Nature Podcast

761 Listeners

The Quanta Podcast by Quanta Magazine

The Quanta Podcast

523 Listeners

The TWIML AI Podcast (formerly This Week in Machine Learning & Artificial Intelligence) by Sam Charrington

The TWIML AI Podcast (formerly This Week in Machine Learning & Artificial Intelligence)

431 Listeners

Philosophy For Our Times by IAI

Philosophy For Our Times

315 Listeners

Future of Life Institute Podcast by Future of Life Institute

Future of Life Institute Podcast

107 Listeners

The Good Fight by Yascha Mounk

The Good Fight

900 Listeners

The Michael Shermer Show by Michael Shermer

The Michael Shermer Show

931 Listeners

Big Brains by University of Chicago Podcast Network

Big Brains

480 Listeners

Sean Carroll's Mindscape: Science, Society, Philosophy, Culture, Arts, and Ideas by Sean Carroll | Wondery

Sean Carroll's Mindscape: Science, Society, Philosophy, Culture, Arts, and Ideas

4,152 Listeners

The Origins Podcast with Lawrence Krauss by Lawrence M. Krauss

The Origins Podcast with Lawrence Krauss

504 Listeners

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST) by Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)

90 Listeners

Dwarkesh Podcast by Dwarkesh Patel

Dwarkesh Podcast

505 Listeners

Clearer Thinking with Spencer Greenberg by Spencer Greenberg

Clearer Thinking with Spencer Greenberg

139 Listeners

The Joy of Why by Steven Strogatz, Janna Levin and Quanta Magazine

The Joy of Why

491 Listeners