Ayahuasca Podcast with Sam Believ

Bia Labate - the global spread of Ayahuasca, women and plants

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In this episode of Ayahuasca Podcast, host Sam Believ (founder of www.lawayra.com) has a conversation with Bia Labate, a Brazilian anthropologist, activist, and one of the most influential voices in the global psychedelic movement. She is the executive director of the Chacruna Institute, editor of 28 books, and a champion of Indigenous rights, equity, and cultural integrity in plant medicine spaces.

We touch upon topics of:

  • Bia’s early psychedelic explorations and road trip across the Americas (01:02)
  • Her first Ayahuasca experiences and academic journey (02:41)
  • Pre-Google era of plant medicine research and early stigma in Brazil (03:23)
  • Ayahuasca’s paradoxical rise in the digital age (07:54)
  • Loneliness, vulnerable connection, and the appeal of Ayahuasca (09:51)
  • The evolution of Ayahuasca use in Brazil and globally (11:42)
  • Comparing Ayahuasca traditions: Santo Daime, UDV, Shipibo, Huni Kuin (16:32)
  • The limitations of comparing traditions and the food-culture metaphor (19:28)
  • Why Bia has published 28 books and her methodology (21:49)
  • Creating legitimacy for Ayahuasca as a field of study (24:38)
  • The tension between spiritual practice and entrepreneurship (30:51)
  • Ethical complexities of running an Ayahuasca retreat (32:16)
  • Integration circles and her mixed feelings toward them (35:39)
  • The founding, mission, and programs of Chacruna Institute (42:16)
  • Indigenous Reciprocity and Psychedelic Justice initiatives (44:37)
  • Chacruna’s conferences, education, and publications (47:01)
  • Women and psychedelics, invisible labor, and cultural dynamics (50:58)
  • Menstruation taboos in ceremony and cultural relativism (55:44)
  • Ayahuasca’s origins and Colombia’s historical role (59:21)
  • Ayahuasca's global spread to places like Hawaii and Australia (01:03:08)
  • The cultural mission of Chacruna and decolonizing psychedelic narratives (01:09:02)

    • If you would like to attend one of our Ayahuasca retreats go to www.lawayra.com

    Find more about Bia Labate at www.bialabate.net or on Instagram @labatebia. Learn more about her organization at www.chacruna.net.

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