If there’s one thing we’ve learned from Mamamia's But Are You Happy? podcast, it’s that things aren’t meant to be perfect. But try telling that to a perfectionist.

Zoë Foster Blake, a self-described perfectionist, doesn’t always see it as a positive trait. In her conversation with Clare Stephens, she shares what she’s learned about embracing failure, recognising when she needs space to recharge, and the interviews and events she chooses not to do.

Is Zoë Foster Blake happy? You’ll have to listen to find out.

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• Zoë’s book Things Will Calm Down Soon is out 1 October (RRP 32.99, Atlantic Books Australia). You can find out more here.

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Host: Clare Stephens

Guest: Zoë Foster Blake

Executive Producer: Naima Brown

Producer: Tahli Blackman

Audio Producer: Scott Stronach

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