Botanix co-founders Willem Schroé and Alisia Painter join Messari's Dylan Bane on Fully Diluted to unpack a Bitcoin Layer-2 built for real finance. Botanix is a proof-of-stake Bitcoin L2 where 50% of gas fees flow to stakers via STBTC—a liquid, up-only, native Bitcoin yield backed by on-chain economic activity (not points or new tokens). We cover how users bridge BTC → Botanix → stake → earn, instant peg-outs, and why the team’s Spiderchain design prioritizes decentralization and censorship resistance (federation today, dynafed next, more than 1,000 nodes over time).We also dive into catalysts for BitcoinFi adoption (monetary incentives + trusted apps), BTC-backed stablecoins like Palladium (PUSD), perps and tokenized assets, and the 6–12 month roadmap as STBTC becomes base collateral across the Botanix ecosystem.

0:00 – Introductions

Meet the hosts and Botanics’ founders, William and Alicia, and hear how the project began.

3:30 – Bitcoin L2 Today

State of Bitcoin Layer 2s, scaling challenges, and why Botanics is building for the long term.

6:15 – Bridging & Spider Chain

How to bridge Bitcoin to Botanics, plus a deep dive into the Spiderchain security model.

10:45 – Yield & Incentives

Understanding STBTC, gas-fee-backed Bitcoin yield, and why it’s a catalyst for adoption.

20:25 – Adoption Drivers

Key ingredients for Bitcoin DeFi growth: incentives, builders, and decentralization.

23:50 – StablecoinsExploring Palladium (PUSD) and the opportunity for Bitcoin-backed stablecoins in emerging markets.

30:15 – DEXs & AssetsPerpetual DEXs, tokenized assets, and why Bitcoin collateral changes the game.

36:55 – Roadmap AheadWhat’s next for Botanics: STBTC rollout, new apps, and expanding the federation.

40:55 – Learning MoreWhere to find docs, tutorials, and how to start earning yield with Bitcoin.

42:30 – ConclusionFinal thoughts on Bitcoin yield, self-custody, and building a sustainable Bitcoin DeFi future.

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