Brain Driven Brands

Sarah and Nate break down a super strange, but very psychology-based CRO test, we chat about how bundles have completely changed Original Grain's whole business strategy, and contemplate the meaning of brand. All this and more, on this episode of Brain Driven Brands.

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CoHost: Nate Lagos

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Tactical and Practical Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534

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Where did all the customers go? Did the economic downturn really crush DTC? And what does that mean for e-commerce brands? (Especially ones who might not be considered a "necessity" product? In this episode of Brain Driven Brands, we dissect the basics of what it takes to survive an economic downturn as a brand, and why it all comes down to management of your customer's psychological perception.

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CoHost: Nate Lagos

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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natelagos/

Tactical and Practical Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534

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On this episode of Brain Driven Brands, we dive deep into the waters of creative strategy with a talented strategist who's fronting one of the largest brands in the industry (and doing it with a great sense of humor). We talk about:

• How to hire naturally talented creators (and why delivery is more important than scripts).

• Why you should hire for personality over metrics.

• The number one thing Sarah's most afraid of when it comes to TikTok.

• Why some brands win with humor (and others flop).

All this and more on this episode of Brain Driven Brands.

Guest: Paige Phillips

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/paige-phillips-82394a238/

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After being in business for 12+ years, Original Grain finally made a massive breakthrough that will help them blow past their $30M mark this year. Nate and Sarah walk through one of the most impactful strategies Original Grain has implemented in 2025…one that's so simple, it gets completely overlooked by 99% of brands. Have a listen, take some notes. This one is GOLD.

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CoHost: Nate Lagos

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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natelagos/

Tactical and Practical Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534

Learn more at: https://www.tetherinsights.io/

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Thanks to Cytrus for the theme song, "Sky High" You can follow and find them on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/track/1oKGDsxjRdQlf2xHLZsiSJ?si=8fbd275dbbb54cbf

Your customer isn't doing math. They're doing emotional accounting to justify every decision they make! In this episode, we break down the weird, emotional, and totally irrational world of pricing psychology: why $50 for shipping feels outrageous, but $50 for same-day delivery feels like a luxury…and why a $7 deodorant gets pushback, but a $7 smoothie gets the go-ahead every time.

In this episode you'll learn:

• Why customers say "too expensive" (even when it's not)

• How to reframe price based on identity, not logic

• Real-world tactics to make your pricing feel like a deal

• The dangerous myths brands believe about "value"

If you've ever struggled to justify your pricing (or watched customers buy something dumber instead) this episode is for you.

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CoHost: Nate Lagos

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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natelagos/

Tactical and Practical Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534

Learn more at: https://www.tetherinsights.io/

Twitter: https://x.com/SarahLevinger

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Thanks to Cytrus for the theme song, "Sky High" You can follow and find them on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/track/1oKGDsxjRdQlf2xHLZsiSJ?si=8fbd275dbbb54cbf

We dive in this week with another science quiz! Sarah stumps Nate this week with a scientific study that even she didn't see coming. We break down how this study affects brands (from start ups to 9-fig) and why every marketer should be using this tactic TODAY to increase their customer's willingness to pay by 18.3%!

Study source: https://app.sciencesays.com/p/color-saturation-perceived-size

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CoHost: Nate Lagos

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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natelagos/

Tactical and Practical Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534

Learn more at: https://www.tetherinsights.io/

Twitter: https://x.com/SarahLevinger

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Watch me on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg

Thanks to Cytrus for the theme song, "Sky High" You can follow and find them on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/track/1oKGDsxjRdQlf2xHLZsiSJ?si=8fbd275dbbb54cbf

Do you love Brain Driven Brands but only have 20 minutes to spare today? We've got some great news for you - in this episode, Sarah and Nate break down the top 3 simple messaging tweaks Original Grain has put in place this year that has made them well over $1M…and they're all psychology-based.

Studies referenced:

"The effects of repetition frequency on the illusory truth effect" (Hassan & Barber, 2021 – Cognitive Research: Principles and Implications)

"The Fresh Start Effect: Temporal Landmarks Motivate Aspirational Behavior"

(Dai, Milkman, Riis – 2014, Management Science)

"Distinction Bias: Misprediction and Mischoice Due to Joint Evaluation"

(Hsee & Zhang, 2004 – Journal of Behavioral Decision Making)

CoHost: Nate Lagos

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Tactical and Practical Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534

Learn more at: https://www.tetherinsights.io/

Twitter: https://x.com/SarahLevinger

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In this episode of Brain Driven Brands, Sarah sits down with an expert to talk about creative strategy, why most people are bad at using humor in ads, and why the "volume" conversation might be doing more harm than good. Joanna Wallace from Hexclad joins us for an epic conversation…get ready to take notes.

Guest: Joanna Wallace

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CoHost: Nate Lagos

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Tactical and Practical Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534

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In this episode of Brain Driven Brands, Sarah makes Nate cry with ad copy she created from a super secret prompt. We dive deep into how the prompt works, and why it might just be the best creative strategy tool of 2025!

CoHost: Nate Lagos

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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natelagos/

Tactical and Practical Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534

Learn more at: https://www.tetherinsights.io/

Twitter: https://x.com/SarahLevinger

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What if your product layout was costing you conversions…and you didn't even know it?

In this episode, we unpack the psychology behind horizontal vs. vertical product displays, and how Amazon quietly uses this principle to push higher-quality, higher-priced items—boosting premium conversions by up to 25.7%.

You'll learn:

• Why horizontal layouts make people focus on quality, not price

• How vertical layouts shift attention to secondary features

• The subtle design choice that could instantly raise your AOV

CoHost: Nate Lagos

Twitter: https://x.com/natelagos

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natelagos/

Tactical and Practical Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534

Learn more at: https://www.tetherinsights.io/

Twitter: https://x.com/SarahLevinger

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