In this part of the conversation, the hosts and guest discuss the nature of their podcast and their personal experiences with sobriety and endurance sports. They explore the idea of finding purpose and fulfillment in physical challenges and the importance of self-development in recovery. They also touch on the limitations of traditional recovery programs and the need for individualized approaches. The conversation concludes with a discussion about upcoming races and the unique culture of the ultra running community. In this part of the conversation, the hosts and guest discuss hallucinations and the mental challenges of ultra running. They share their experiences of seeing things that aren't there during races and the surreal feeling of sleep deprivation. They also talk about the importance of leaving ego behind and pacing oneself in ultra marathons. The hosts offer advice on run-walk strategies and the significance of fueling and taking breaks during long races. In this conversation, the hosts discuss their experiences with ultra running and offer advice for beginners. They talk about the mindset required for long-distance races and the importance of mental strength and problem-solving. They also share stories of their own failures and lessons learned. The conversation touches on topics such as pacing, nutrition, and the camaraderie among runners. The hosts emphasize the need for perseverance and the joy of pushing oneself to the limit. They also mention the benefits of timed events and loop courses. The conversation concludes with a shoutout to a friend who is an ultra runner and an invitation to connect with the hosts for mentorship and guidance.