My guest for this week’s episode is podcaster and author Caggie Dunlop, whom you might also recognise as a former cast member on the rather well known reality show called Made in Chelsea. Caggie has since reached a whole different audience. Her show Saturn Returns – which explores the coming of age happens somewhere around your late twenties and early thirties – has united a community as they navigate the shared challenges and opportunities that come with this age. I discovered the show last year – unsurprisingly, just as I was coming into this life stage – and was lucky enough to be Caggie’s guest on an episode released this May. Afterwards, Caggie generously agreed to come on and talk all things alone time with me – together with discussing her debut book, a memoir meets guidebook co-written with astrology expert Noura Bourni. In this episode, we talk about everything from the loneliness that Caggie faced when she pursed her singing career in LA, to, on the more positive side, how to navigate the vulnerable early stages of a blossoming relationship in a healthy way. I also ask Caggie how solo holidays work out when you’re a recognisable former reality TV star. 

We discuss, among other things:

• Why Caggie describes herself as ‘a bit of a recluse’ [4:45]
• Independence vs. codependency in a romantic relationship [7:25]
• Why alone time was a ‘sanctuary’ for Caggie, growing up [10:10]
• The definition of ‘Saturn Return’ [19:19]
• How Caggie’s own ‘Saturn Return’ let to a career pivot [25:31]
• The power of the ‘slow burn’ when entering a relationship [32:09]
• Navigating anxious attachment [35:52]
• Caggie’s recent solo mini break [39:40]

You can purchase Caggie’s book, Saturn Returns, now – while her podcast of the same name is available to listen to wherever you get your podcast.

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