Sharing a preview of the Say More podcast, where, in a special series, Boston Globe columnist Shirley Leung is opening up the conversation about stress and burnout to help listeners feel less alone and inspired to get help. In this episode, computer scientist and bestselling author Cal Newport says we’ve been thinking about productivity all wrong. Shirley talks to Cal about the ways the modern office worker is primed for professional burnout, how hybrid work makes it worse, and what we can do about it. He’s not a luddite by any stretch, but he says we should quit social media, and leave our phones behind whenever possible.

You can Listen to Say More at https://link.chtbl.com/saymore?sid=anxietycoaches

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