On this episode of “Interesting Times,” Ross Douthat is joined by the Rev. James Martin, a Jesuit priest and an editor of America Magazine, to reflect on the legacy of Pope Francis and the challenges facing the next papacy.

• 02:20 The First Jesuit Pope
• 05:23 Google Translate and Exchanging Emails 
• 06:05 The Visual Element of Francis’s Legacy
• 07:48 The Concrete Changes Made
• 16:19 Christian Sexual Ethics
• 25:22 The Church in the Modern World
• 27:14 What Kind of Leader Will the Next Pope Be?
• 31:57 The Latin Mass Controversy
• 34:54 What Draws People to Christianity?
• 39:21 What Holds Such a Diverse Church Together?
• 43:09 The Influence of the Pope and the Hierarchy 
• 46:41 A Renewed Interest in Religion 
• 48:30 The Church as a Field Hospital 
• 49:13 What Father Martin Hopes to See in the Next Pope 
• 49:59 Where Should the New Pope Go? 
• 52:27 Who Will Be the Next Pope?

(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.) 

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