In this episode of Grief Kind, Clover Stroud is joined by TV presenter and founder of Make Motherhood Diverse, Candice Brathwaite.

Candice’s dad, Richard, died suddenly of the common flu when she was just 21. She didn’t get to say goodbye, something she still struggles with today.

Straight-talking Candice opens up about the anger and isolation she felt in grief and how her friends didn’t know how to help her, as they’d never lost anyone, let alone a parent.

Clover and Candice talk tough conversations, family feuds and “drinking brandy on the floor,” while Candice shares her perspective on the black community’s stiff upper lip when it comes to grief.

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