Church Disrupted

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  • 040: A Pastor's INSIDER Look At Spiritual Abuse & Why It's NOT Just A Mega Church Problem

    What happens when a mega church pastor gets honest about spiritual abuse in the church? We're about to find out. In this episode of the Church Disrupted Podcast, Jeff Cochran is joined by a current pastor on a mega church staff. They discuss how spiritual abuse can happen in smaller churches as well as the systems that contribute to it. This pastor shares his personal experience of spiritual abuse in small churches, where narcissism, arrogance, and nepotism were prevalent. They also discuss the importance of accountability in church leadership and the need for external oversight to prevent abuse, as well as how churches can decide upfront how they will honestly and openly investigate any and all spiritual abuse allegations.

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    Chapters
    00:00 Introduction and Overview
    06:09 Loren's Experience of Spiritual Abuse in Small Churches
    13:47 The Presence of Narcissism, Arrogance, and Nepotism in Church Systems
    28:26 The Need for External Oversight to Prevent Spiritual Abuse
    33:12 The Risk of Standing Up Against Spiritual Abuse
    37:32 Creating Safe Spaces for Staff
    46:15 Prioritizing Family Care as a Pastor
    50:08 The Importance of Independent Investigations
    57:47 Listening and Caring for Those Who Have Experienced Hurt

    1 hr 22 min
  • 039: How To Create Safe Churches From A Church Staffer Turned Private Investigator

    In this episode of the Church Disrupted Podcast, Jeff Cochran and Lori Morrison (host of the Unlovely Truth Podcast & Author) discuss the importance of addressing spiritual abuse and safety within the church. They explore the need for holistic care, the role of independent investigations, and the significance of effective communication in handling abuse allegations.

    The conversation also delves into the impact of spiritual abuse on people and the church's responsibility in addressing and preventing it. The conversation covers a wide range of topics related to church communication, transparency, accountability, spiritual abuse, and the importance of justice. We also discuss red flags and the need for safe and healthy church environments.
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    Find out more about Lori's work here:
    - https://theunlovelytruth.com/
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    Chapters
    00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction
    03:00 The Importance of Holistic Care and Safety in the Church
    10:04 The Role of Independent Investigations in Addressing Spiritual Abuse
    34:14 Establishing a Church Safe Process and External Support
    44:17 The Importance of Truth and Transparency in Church Communication
    49:33 Prioritizing Character Over Titles in Church Staff Evaluation
    01:21:26 Creating a Safe and Welcoming Church Environment
    01:25:47 Addressing Issues of Spiritual and Emotional Abuse in the Church

    1 hr 30 min
  • 038: The Power Dynamics Of Spiritual Abuse & How To Confront Abusive Christian Environments

    In this episode of the Church Disrupted podcast, Jeff Cochran interviews Scott McKnight, a theologian and advocate for spiritual abuse victims. They discuss the complexities of spiritual abuse, the power dynamics involved, and the impact on individuals and communities. Scott shares his journey of advocating for spiritual abuse victims and teaching churches to build a Tove culture. They also explore the challenges of recognizing and responding to spiritual abuse within the church. The conversation covers various aspects of spiritual abuse, including realistic expectations, time limits, and the impact of church systems. It also delves into the evolution of pastoral roles, the impact of mega-churches, and the modern-day church playbook for addressing the scandal. Additionally, it explores the trauma experienced by pastors and the need for a trauma-informed approach in the church.

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    Find out more about Scot's work here:
    - https://x.com/scotmcknight
    - https://scotmcknight.substack.com/
    - https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B001IQZDNO
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    Chapters
    00:00 Understanding Spiritual Abuse: A Complex Journey
    09:30 The Definition and Impact of Spiritual Abuse
    24:00 Navigating Power Dynamics and Healing
    27:43 Navigating Spiritual Abuse: Realistic Expectations and Time Limits
    31:33 Evolution of Pastoral Roles and the Impact of Mega Churches
    48:59 The Modern-Day Church Playbook for Addressing Scandal
    52:19 Trauma-Informed Approach in the Church

    57 min
  • 037: Volunteer Exploitation: How Churches Use (and Sometimes Abuse) Volunteers

    This episode of the Church Disrupted podcast explores the topic of volunteer exploitation in churches. Host Jeff Cochran, joined by Nick Flores, discusses the damaging effects of volunteering gone wrong and how churches can better protect their volunteers. They share personal experiences of volunteer exploitation and highlight the importance of setting boundaries and providing support for volunteers.

    The conversation emphasizes the need for churches to slow down and prioritize the well-being of their volunteers. They also discuss the power of meaningful conversations and the impact they can have on volunteers' lives.
    In this conversation, Jeff and Nick also discuss the concept of spiritual bypassing, where faith is used as an excuse to avoid taking action or addressing real issues. They emphasize the need for open dialogue, asking deeper questions, and creating safe spaces within the church community. They also touch on the impact of language and labels, such as the 'dream team,' and how it can create an in-crowd versus out-crowd mentality.
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    Find out more about Nic's work with the Collision podcast here: https://www.instagram.com/collisionpodcast/
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    Chapters
    00:00 Introduction: Exploring Volunteer Exploitation in Churches
    02:35 The Damaging Effects of Volunteer Exploitation
    08:07 Personal Experiences of Volunteer Exploitation
    14:38 The Power of Meaningful Conversations with Volunteers
    31:38 The Importance of Slowing Down and Being Inclusive in Volunteer Culture
    38:26 The Impact of Boundaries and Support on Volunteer Engagement
    43:47 The Need for Resources and Conversations on Volunteer Well-being
    45:01 Income Disparity and Exploitation
    50:46 Addressing Spiritual Bypassing
    57:36 Taking Care of Pastors
    01:10:33 The Impact of Language and Labels

    1 hr 30 min
  • 036: Why People Are Leaving the Church, Political Entanglement, & How to Make Church Safe Again

    In this episode of the Church Disrupted Podcast, Jef Cochran is joined by Tim Whitaker of The New Evangelicals to talk about the state of the church, why people are leaving the evangelical church and deconstructing, how political entanglement has played a role, and ways we can stop spiritual abuse in churches. This was a fantastic conversation between Tim and Jeff, and while everyone won't agree with everything said, we can and should all learn something. Want to support Church Disrupted financially?https://www.disrupted.church/giveFind out more about Tim's work with TNE here: https://www.thenewevangelicals.com/

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    1 hr 42 min
  • 035: Introducing SAI: Your Questions Answered About the Spiritual Abuse Institute

    With the recent launch of the Spiritual Abuse Institute (SAI,) Jeff Cochran takes this episode of the Church Disrupted Podcast to answer listener questions about SAI, discuss how we'll help people heal from spiritual abuse and church hurt, and our plan to build healthier churches.

    If you have ever experienced spiritual abuse, church hurt, or religious trauma, then this episode (and SAI) is for you. Will you become a disruptor and help us fight to end spiritual abuse and the toxic systems that cause it?
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    Find out more about SAI at https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/.
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    1 hr 43 min
  • 034: We Interviewed a Critic of the Podcast & a Surprising Thing Happened!

    What happens when you invite a vocal critic onto onto the podcast?! Well, we’re about to find out!

    In this episode of the Church Disrupted Podcast, we invited a vocal social media critic to join the conversation and discuss how to build healthy churches. And not only is this guest a critic, he's a pastor!
    Yet, once we invited him to join the podcast, things took a really positive turn.
    When I checked this pastor and his church out online, what I found was a surprisingly healthy looking church! They are doing a lot of things right, and they seem to be the kind of church we wish there was more of.
    So, by the time we got to the actual podcast conversation, I honestly wasn’t sure what to expect. But I was pleasantly surprised!
    In this episode, we are joined by Pastor and leader TJ Mauldin. We discuss everything from our disagreements online and the need to address spiritual abuse in the church, to creating healthy church environments and radical financial transparency. This was an honest, transparent, and extremely helpful conversation. We hope you enjoy it as much as we did!
    THANK YOU to our podcast partner, the East TN Mentorship Association! Find out more information about what they do or connect with them at https://earnyoursanctuary.com/ . TELL THEM WE SENT YOU for a special rate that is ONLY for Church Disrupted Podcast listeners.
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    TIMESTAMPS:
    00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction
    08:46 The Tension Between Critiquing the Church and Loving the Church
    36:07 Low Control, High Accountability
    47:26 Building People Up and Adding Value
    56:36 Controversy and Conversation: Teleprompters and Sermon Scripts
    01:14:29 Growing People for the Kingdom
    01:26:37 Approaching Nepotism and Hiring Staff
    01:37:18 Congregational Leadership
    01:49:15 Addressing the Cycle of Abuse
    01:58:30 Cultivating Intentional Relational Environments

    2 hr 7 min
  • 033: How TOV Can Turn TOXIC Church Cultures Into Cultures Of Goodness

    In this episode of the Church Disrupted podcast, Jeff Cochran and Author Laura McKnight Barringer discuss spiritual abuse and toxic church cultures. She shares the moment that woke her up to the reality of spiritual abuse. They also explore the concept of 'tov' (goodness) in the church, the features of narcissistic pastors, and the characteristics of toxic Christian workplaces.

    They address the reasons people stay silent in the face of abuse, the response of churches to accusations against pastors, and the danger of internal investigations. All of these issues and more should massively concern us, but could the answer to them be as simple as creating TOV cultures? Join us for this conversation to find out the answer.
    Connect with Laura here: https://www.laurabarringer.net/
    THANK YOU to our podcast partner, the East TN Mentorship Association! Find out more information about what they do or connect with them at https://earnyoursanctuary.com/ . TELL THEM WE SENT YOU for a special rate that is ONLY for Church Disrupted Podcast listeners.
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    TIMESTAMPS:
    00:00 Introduction
    07:10 Recognizing Spiritual Abuse
    13:18 Understanding Tov and a Culture of Tov
    16:25 Features of Narcissistic Pastors
    24:45 Early Warning Signs of a Toxic Culture
    28:15 Reasons for Silence and Fear of Speaking Out
    34:45 Responses to Accusations Against Pastors
    39:37 Internal Investigations and Lack of Independence
    40:23 The Need for External Investigation
    41:30 The Role of Retainers in Perpetuating Abuse
    43:29 The Unawareness of Spiritual Abusers
    44:59 The Result of Abuse Regardless of Intent
    48:37 The Sanitization of Truth in Church Systems
    49:04 Forming a Truth-Telling Culture
    53:57 The Attraction of Narcissistic Leaders to the Modern Church
    58:56 The Lack of Accountability in Church Systems
    01:02:48 Transforming Church Culture through Power
    01:03:06 Creating Pockets of Tove
    01:09:29 Advice for Senior Leaders in Creating a Tove Culture
    01:14:34 Advice for General Church Staff in Creating Pockets of Tove
    01:16:24 Advice for Parishioners in Creating a Healthy Church
    01:18:10 Advice for Victims of Spiritual Abuse in Healing and Creating Safe Spaces

    1 hr 23 min
  • 032: Why Narcissism In The Church Is So Dangerous (with Chelsey Brooke Cole)

    What does Narcissism look like when it puts on church clothes?! Narcissism and its effects are common in churches today, but the church is often the last place we would expect to find narcissistic people and behaviors.

    Unfortunately, many modern church systems actually attract narcissistic leaders. But what does narcissism look like when it's in a church? How can we recognize spiritual narcissists and narcissistic systems? And when you recognize it, what should you do?

    We are joined in this episode of the Church Disrupted Podcast by Chelsey Brooke Cole, best-selling author of the book "If I'd Only Known" and narcissism expert. She and Jeff tackle these questions and more as they take a deep look at narcissism in churches and the devastating effects it can have on people.
    Connect with Chelsey and learn more about her work here!
    - https://www.instagram.com/chelseybrookecole/?hl=en
    - https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/
    Get Chelsey's book here: https://rb.gy/4bhk89
    Check Out the Recent USA TODAY article Chelsey Contributed to here: https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2024/03/21/spiritual-narcissism-narcissists-at-church-yoga-class/73047346007/
    THANK YOU to our podcast partner, the East TN Mentorship Association! Find out more information about what they do or connect with them at https://earnyoursanctuary.com/ . TELL THEM WE SENT YOU for a special rate that is ONLY for Church Disrupted Podcast listeners.
    Find out MORE about our podcast partners here: https://www.disrupted.church/sponsors.
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    TIMESTAMPS:
    00:00 Introduction and Background
    01:24 Defining Narcissism and NPD
    11:24 Narcissism in Spiritual Environments
    16:28 Can Systems be Narcissistic?
    25:36 Blame Shifting and Villainizing
    28:49 Reframing the Problem
    30:01 Narcissistic Systems in Church
    32:20 Twisting Scripture
    33:13 Exploiting Tithing
    34:12 Disagreement in Narcissistic Systems
    35:03 Understanding Healthy Relationships
    37:11 Making Church Trauma-Informed
    38:13 Accountability in Narcissistic Systems
    39:12 Moving On Without Accountability
    40:08 Making Church Safe for Victims
    41:08 Supporting the Abuser vs. the Victim
    43:10 Restoring Pastors and Accountability
    45:07 Expecting Reality, Not Assuming the Worst
    46:17 Narcissists' Manipulation Tactics
    48:16 Restoration and Accountability
    49:05 Manipulating the Perception of Change
    50:15 Expecting Accountability, Not Assuming the Worst
    53:17 Toxic People and Healthy Boundaries
    59:23 Narcissists' Reaction to Boundaries
    01:00:37 Importance of Boundaries and Self-Care
    01:01:06 The Importance of Setting Boundaries
    01:02:03 The Charismatic Nature of Narcissists
    01:03:00 Gaslighting and the Desire for Control
    01:04:20 The Manipulation of Loyalty
    01:06:46 Protecting Yourself Against Narcissism
    01:07:18 Overcoming Guilt and Shame
    01:08:30 The Importance of Documentation
    01:14:39 Feeling and Processing Pain
    01:24:30 Untangling the Narcissist's Voice

    1 hr 26 min
  • 031: Uncovering Spiritual Abuse In Church AND At Home

    Spiritual abuse is always heartbreaking, but what happens when you experience it at home and church? In this episode of the Church Disrupted Podcast, Joyce Hindle joins the conversation to share her story of overcoming spiritual abuse. Joyce was a pastor's wife and experienced both sides of religious trauma. From her story, we can learn a lot about how to recognize spiritual abuse, how to heal from it, and how to overcome it and thrive. If you have experienced religious trauma, we believe this conversation will be helpful and an encouraging reminder that you can heal over time.

    Connect with Joyce and learn more about her work here!
    - https://www.joycehindlecoaching.com/
    THANK YOU to our podcast partner, The Forgiveness Link!!! Schedule your free consultation with Rob here and let him know we sent you to get a special Church Disrupted rate! https://theforgivenesslink.com/churchdisruptedcommunity
    ANOTHER BIG THANK YOU to the East TN Mentorship Association! Find out more information about what they do or connect with them at https://earnyoursanctuary.com/ . TELL THEM WE SENT YOU for a special rate that is ONLY for Church Disrupted Podcast listeners.
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    1 hr 48 min

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Taking on church hurt and spiritual abuse one conversation at a time. If you’ve been hurt by the church, you’re not alone. Together, we can heal. Together, we can bring about change. It’s time to take a stand!

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