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  • 050: Untangling Twisted Scriptures and Abusive Theologies with Rebecca Davis

    In this episode of the Church Disrupted Podcast, Jeff Cochran and Rebecca Davis (Author of the Untwisting Scripture book series) discuss the misuse and abuse of scriptures in spiritual contexts. They highlight the importance of understanding the true meaning of scriptures and the dangers of twisting them to manipulate and control people. They talk about topics like loyalty, sin leveling, the misuse of the terms 'root of bitterness' and 'spirit of offense', and the idea of tearing down the body of Christ.

    Rebecca emphasizes the importance of recognizing and addressing abuse, as well as the need for biblical literacy and listening to the experiences of abuse survivors. The conversation concludes with hope for survivors and a call for church leaders to listen and learn.
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    Chapters
    00:00 Introduction: The Misuse of Scriptures and Control
    24:41 Loyalty vs. Faithfulness
    32:44 The Dynamics of Bullying in the Church
    41:12 Silence is Complicity
    43:43 Restoration and Accountability
    45:08 Recognizing Wickedness and Righteousness
    46:05 The Spiritual Abuser's Playbook: Loyalty
    47:31 The Misuse of 'Root of Bitterness' and 'Spirit of Offense'
    52:30 Understanding the Root of Bitterness
    56:18 The Danger of Misinterpreting Hebrews
    01:07:02 Exposing Sin vs. Tearing Down the Body of Christ
    01:13:50 Rejecting the Notion of Victim Mentality
    01:21:15 Words of Hope and Listening

    1 hr 27 min
  • 049: The PROBLEM With Green Room Culture In The Evangelical Church

    In this episode of the Church Disrupted Podcast, Jeff Cochran, Leann Reece, and Vicki May discuss the impact of celebrity culture in the church, specifically the green room mentality in a lot of churches. They highlight the contradiction between the call to be servants and the pursuit of celebrity status in modern Christianity. This conversation explores the negative side of the church green room, particularly in relation to volunteer exploitation and the pressures of celebrity culture, as well as what we can do about it to build healthier environments in our churches.

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    Chapters
    00:00 Introduction: The Contradiction of Celebrity Culture
    02:18 The Impact of Green Room Mentality
    10:33 Finding Balance: Serving and Resting
    19:30 The Benefits and Challenges of Green Rooms
    25:12 Addressing the Root Issue: Volunteer Shortage
    35:12 Conclusion: Prioritizing Volunteer Well-being
    36:10 The Negative Side of the Green Room: Volunteer Exploitation and Disconnect
    39:59 Unpaid Professionals: The Disparity in Treatment
    43:39 Staff Members: Balancing Responsibilities and Burnout
    50:32 Setting Boundaries and Treating Volunteers with Respect
    01:12:33 The Negative Effects of the Green Room Mentality
    01:14:18 Separation and Unapproachability in the Green Room
    01:17:42 Exploitation of Volunteers and the Importance of Boundaries
    01:20:02 Transparency and Open Communication about the Green Room
    01:33:33 Leading by Example to Create a Healthy Environment

    1 hr 49 min
  • 048: EXPOSING the Formula for Spiritual Abuse and How to Stop It!!!

    In this episode of the Church Disrupted podcast, Jeff Cochran, Shawn Reece, and Vicki May discuss the formula for spiritual abuse and how to recognize it before damage is done in churches. Spiritual abuse and church scandals can be prevented if the formula is identified early and addressed. They also introduce the Safe Church Pledge as a step towards preventing spiritual abuse.

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    Chapters
    00:00 Introduction: The Formula for Spiritual Abuse
    02:14 The Formula: Power Plus Deception
    09:27 Recognizing Concentrated and Unchecked Power
    23:25 The Importance of Balanced Power and Stewardship
    32:13 The Danger of Over-Spiritualizing Power
    39:23 Questioning Leaders: A Sign of Accountability, Not Dishonor
    40:22 The Role of Deception in Spiritual Abuse
    53:13 Power Plus Deception: The Formula for Spiritual Abuse
    56:02 Manipulating Narratives: Deception in Church Announcements
    01:05:41 The Ego Factor: How Deception Arises from a Desire to Look Good
    01:19:05 Using Individuals for Appearance: Deception in Diversity
    01:20:51 The Connection Between Power and Deception in Spiritual Abuse
    01:21:20 Manipulative Practices in Churches: Spontaneous Baptisms and Altar Calls
    01:24:12 Deception in Altar Calls and Salvation Numbers
    01:27:03 Deception and Self-Deception in Spiritual Abuse
    01:47:27 Protecting Yourself: Asking Questions and Recognizing Signs of Power Abuse and Deception
    01:49:23 Pastors: Surrounding Yourself with Accountability and Committing to Being Above Reproach
    01:57:23 Introducing the Safe Church Pledge: Preventing Spiritual Abuse

    2 hr 1 min
  • 047: NEPOTISM: Does It Belong In The Church? An Honest Look.

    In this episode of the Church Disrupted podcast, Jeff Cochran and Natalie Runion have an honest conversation about nepotism in the Church. They explore what nepotism really is and where it came from, as well as the tension between passing on ministries within families and the potential for unhealthy dynamics and control.

    The conversation delves into the importance of distinguishing between calling and nepotism, and the need for churches to have clear succession plans and fair processes in place. Overall, the episode aims to shed light on the issue of nepotism in the church and encourage healthy dialogue and reflection. Natalie and Jeff explore the challenges and implications of nepotism in church leadership, particularly in the context of pastors' children taking over their parents' churches.
    They also examine biblical examples and principles related to succession and leadership in the church, and how churches and pastors can stay above reproach when it comes to even the appearance of nepotism.
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    Find out more about Natalie's work here:
    - https://www.instagram.com/raisedtostay/?hl=en
    - https://natalierunion.com/
    - https://tinyurl.com/526vaaj2
    - https://www.amazon.com/Raised-Stay-Persevering-Ministry-Million/dp/0830784608
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    Chapters
    00:00 Introduction and Special Episode
    05:28 Collaborative Episode with Natalie Runion
    08:13 Discussion Sparked by Previous Conversation
    13:20 Defining Nepotism and Personal Experiences
    18:47 Importance of Clear Succession Plans
    21:19 Different Perspectives on Nepotism
    28:22 Exploring the Definitions and Origins of Nepotism
    31:14 The Role of Influence and Unfair Advantages
    32:35 The Challenges Faced by Pastors' Kids
    37:20 Examining Biblical Principles of Succession
    53:41 The Importance of Being Above Reproach
    55:39 Moving Away from the CEO Model of Leadership
    58:30 Encouragement for Pastors' Kids
    01:00:46 The Dangers of Promoting Nepotism
    01:04:04 Expanding Perspectives through Church Engagement

    1 hr 5 min
  • 046: Learning How to Recognize and Respond to Spiritual Narcissism

    In a recent conversation with a critical pastor on the Church Disrupted Podcast, things went sideways quick! From the beginning, today's guest exhibited narcissistic responses and behaviors that can be super triggering for those who have experienced church hurt or spiritual abuse. Talk about the opposite of trauma-informed church leadership!Sadly, too many church leaders exhibit behaviors like this in conversations without even realizing the damage they can cause to parishioners. So, in today's episode, Jeff Cochran leans into the skid, breaks down the subtle (and sometimes not-so-subtle) red flags of narcissistic responses, and shows you how to respond to them (and how not to) in a spiritual setting. There has never been a time more important than now for church leaders and staff to become trauma-informed. Narcissism and narcissistic behaviors have no place in the church, and with a little training and intentionality, we can eliminate these behaviors and learn to protect the most vulnerable people in our congregations. We can learn to listen to and love people like Jesus. Want to support SAI financially?https://donorbox.org/sai-initial-funding-campaignTHANK YOU to our podcast partner, the East TN Mentorship Association! Find out more information about what they do or connect with them at https://earnyoursanctuary.com/ . TELL THEM WE SENT YOU for a special rate that is ONLY for Church Disrupted Podcast listeners.Find out more about the Church Disrupted Podcast at https://www.disrupted.church/.Join the church disrupted COMMUNITY here: https://discord.gg/nbWwg8Sz6ZPlease Subscribe and Share!Chapters00:00 Introduction and Trigger Warning03:16 Recognizing Conversational Red Flags in Churches06:28 The Most Triggering Interview08:52 Using Red Flag Review Editing10:42 Identifying Wrong and Potentially Dangerous Views of the Church25:28 The Importance of Words and How They Are Said28:25 Addressing the Impact of Comments on Small Churches34:50 Identifying Red Flags and Patterns of Behavior37:16 From Small Church to Mega Church: A Personal Journey41:29 The Distinction Between Mega Churches and Giga Churches45:16 Addressing Systemic Issues in All Churches51:53 The Importance of Open Conversations About Small Church Failures01:09:21 Calling Out Narcissistic Behavior01:13:28 Red Flags and Tactics of Narcissistic Leaders01:19:04 The Issue of Plagiarism in the Church01:21:48 The Importance of Transparency in Church Finances01:35:11 The Power of Words and Definitions01:43:40 Understanding the Lack of Transparency in Churches01:45:27 Overcoming Shame and Becoming Financially Transparent01:48:48 The Use of NDAs in Churches01:51:18 The Benefits of Multi-Site Churches02:08:16 Finding Healing and Connection After Church Hurt

    2 hr 19 min
  • 045: Church Leadership, Real Accountability, & Building Healthier Churches

    On this episode of the Church Disrupted Podcast, Jeff Cochran is joined by local church pastor Cody Farris. From a disagreement on social media, they started a conversation that eventually led to this podcast about church leadership, accountability, and how churches should respond to scandals and allegations of spiritual abuse. They also talk about important factors to consider when looking for a healthy church after church hurt. Other topics discussed include NDAs in churches, plagiarism in sermons, handling abuse allegations, and church finances. This one is a can't miss. It's honest, authentic, and incredibly refreshing.

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    Chapters
    00:00 Introduction: Disagreement and Growth
    04:37 Building a Healthy Church
    08:53 The Importance of Adhering to a Statement of Faith
    18:11 Understanding the Essentials of Eschatology
    29:50 Preventing Spiritual Abuse: The Role of Elders and Congregational Involvement
    32:38 Evaluating a Church: History, Elders, and Congregation Involvement
    34:03 Prioritizing Spiritual Growth over Church Growth
    35:28 The Importance of Accountability in Preventing Spiritual Abuse
    36:27 The Role of Overseers and Checks and Balances in Church Governance
    37:54 Excommunication: Maintaining the Holiness of the Congregation
    40:11 Finding a Healthy and Mature Congregation
    01:05:19 Finding a Healthy Church: Faithful Preaching, Sacraments, and Church Discipline
    01:09:59 Accountability and Testing Leaders in the Church
    01:13:21 Handling Abuse Allegations: Taking Them Seriously and Involving External Parties if Necessary
    01:17:47 Transparency in Church Finances: Building Trust and Dispelling Misconceptions
    01:23:01 Addressing Plagiarism in Sermons: Quoting and Referencing with Permission
    01:30:37 Navigating Church Hurt: Holding onto Christ as the Head of the Imperfect Church
    01:33:01 Taking Theology and Church Structure Seriously as Church Leaders

    1 hr 39 min
  • 044: The Dangers Of Spiritual Fathers, Church Red Flags, & Manipulative Spiritual Language

    In this episode of the Church Disrupted Podcast, Jeff Cochran is joined by Chris and Tori Custer, who share their experience of spiritual abuse and cultish behavior. They break down common red flags and warning signs of toxic church environments, emphasize the need for humility and self-reflection in church leadership, and discuss what biblical forgiveness really looks like. They also take a hard look at the dangers of spiritual fathers and other often weaponized spiritual language.

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    - INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/flame_keepers_podcast/
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    Chapters
    00:00 Recognizing Red Flags and Warning Signs
    09:09 The Paradox of Christianity: Humility and Self-Reflection
    32:59 The Power of Prophetic Words and Intimacy with God
    37:48 The Awakening: Recognizing Abuse and Manipulation
    40:38 Seeking Outside Perspective and Finding Freedom
    41:37 Seeking Outside Counsel and Therapy
    43:57 Red Flags of an Unsafe Church
    46:12 The Dangers of Idolizing Spiritual Fathers and Mothers
    50:30 Power Dynamics in Spiritual Relationships
    01:23:21 The Role of Spiritual Fathers and Mothers
    01:31:51 The Warped View of Discipleship
    01:44:00 The Daily Practice of Forgiveness
    01:48:46 Navigating Forgiveness After Abuse
    01:59:21 Flamekeepers: Purifying and Reforming the Church

    2 hr 4 min
  • 043: How to Know When to Stay at a Church & When to Go?

    In this episode of the Church Disrupted Podcast, Jeff Cochran, Leann Reece, and Corey Laster explore the question of when it's time to leave a church environment, especially when there are signs of spiritual abuse or toxicity. The hosts discuss their personal experiences and offer insights on recognizing red flags and setting boundaries. They emphasize the importance of healing and finding safe people to talk to.

    In this conversation, Jeff and the crew discuss the process of deciding whether it's time to leave a church. They provide guidance on how to navigate this decision, emphasizing the importance of self-reflection, seeking counsel, and setting boundaries. They also discuss the different scenarios that may arise, such as staying too long, needing to leave immediately, or trying to make a change within the church.
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    Chapters
    00:00 Introduction: When is it time to leave a church?
    02:18 Recognizing Red Flags and Setting Boundaries
    11:55 Leaving a Church without Villainizing
    16:30 Healing and Verbalizing the Truth
    31:09 Seeking Input and Making the Decision
    34:58 Importance of Healing in the Decision
    35:26 Trusting Your Gut: Knowing When to Leave a Church
    37:50 Having Civil, Helpful, and Loving Conversations
    41:01 Assessing Your Feelings: A Key Indicator for Leaving
    46:46 Leaving in a Healthy and Honoring Way
    57:33 Acknowledging Hurt and Finding a Safe Place to Land
    01:10:29 Deciding to Leave for a New Season
    01:11:57 Setting a Firm End Date
    01:13:23 Having the Conversation and Leaving
    01:14:20 Setting a Date and Making Arrangements
    01:17:43 Protecting the Most Vulnerable Person
    01:19:38 Empathy and Healing in the Body
    01:21:02 Empathy and Healing in Relationships
    01:27:14 Healing Faster and Helping Others
    01:30:36 Empathy as a Sign of Healing
    01:34:02 Prioritizing Safety and Leaving

    1 hr 46 min
  • 042: CEO Pastors VS Shepherds, Scandals, and a Church Worth Fighting For

    In this episode of the Church Disrupted Podcast, Jeff Cochran interviews Casanova Green, a local church pastor, about his observations on the church and the importance of having critical conversations with church leaders to promote growth and transparency. They also highlight the issue of churches moving away from the core principles of community, support, and relational ministry; and the rise of narcissistic leaders and performance-based preaching.

    The conversation also touches on the recent scandals involving church leaders and the need for accountability and justice in the church. Jeff and Cas discuss the importance of transparency, checks and balances, and the role of overseers in ensuring accountability. They emphasize the need for pastors to be present, sacrificial, and focused on loving and serving people.
    Whether you are a parishioner, church staff, or someone dealing with fresh church hurt, this conversation should both encourage and challenge you in a positive way!
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    Chapters
    00:00 Introduction and Setting the Stage
    05:37 Similar Concerns and the Impact of Consumerism and Narcissism in the Church
    13:30 Addressing Spiritual Abuse and Misconduct in the Church
    25:01 Staying True to the Core Principles of the Church
    32:58 The Importance of Accountability
    35:09 The Role of Pastors, Elders, and Overseers
    38:07 The Responsibility of the Congregation
    40:13 Serving the Congregation
    44:30 The Track Record of Pastoring
    01:04:32 Being Present and Available in Ministry
    01:12:23 Should Pastors be Paid During Set Down?
    01:19:50 What is a Real Pastor?
    01:27:39 Aligning Actions and Preaching with the Heart of God
    01:32:40 Prioritizing Healing, Hope, and Restoration in Ministry

    1 hr 37 min
  • 041: A Conversation With Raised to Stay: "When the Church Is Beautiful... But its Behavior Isn't"

    In this episode of the Church Disrupted Podcast, Jeff Cochran interviews Natalie Runion, the author of 'Raised to Stay' and the upcoming book 'The House that Jesus Built.' They discuss staying in a relationship with Jesus in the face of things like church hurt and spiritual abuse, and the importance of balance in addressing hard church issues. Natalie shares her personal experience of church hurt and how it led her to create a safe space for others to wrestle with their faith.

    They also touch on the topic of forgiveness and how it can be weaponized, the process of healing from church hurt, and the need for churches to create safe environments and address unhealthy systems. They offer advice for individuals who are hesitant to re-engage with the church and encourage pastors and church leaders to be a safe haven for those who have been hurt.
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    Find out more about Natali e'swork here:
    - https://www.instagram.com/raisedtostay/?hl=en
    - https://natalierunion.com/
    - https://tinyurl.com/526vaaj2
    - https://www.amazon.com/Raised-Stay-Persevering-Ministry-Million/dp/0830784608
    THANK YOU to our podcast partner, the East TN Mentorship Association! Find out more information about what they do or connect with them at https://earnyoursanctuary.com/ . TELL THEM WE SENT YOU for a special rate that is ONLY for Church Disrupted Podcast listeners.
    Find out more about the Church Disrupted Podcast at https://www.disrupted.church/.
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    Chapters
    00:00 Introduction to Natalie Runion and the Topic of Church Hurt
    03:04 Healing from Church Hurt and Spiritual Abuse
    07:41 Creating Safe Environments in Churches
    13:41 Staying Connected to Jesus in Difficult Seasons
    28:28 Navigating Church Relationships with Discernment
    40:41 Supporting Church Staff Members in Abusive Situations
    43:07 The Importance of Forgiveness and Healing
    45:01 The Power of Empathy
    49:39 Revival: A Heart Transformation
    54:16 Addressing Issues in Church Systems

    1 hr 26 min

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Taking on church hurt and spiritual abuse one conversation at a time. If you’ve been hurt by the church, you’re not alone. Together, we can heal. Together, we can bring about change. It’s time to take a stand!

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