Church Disrupted

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  • 068: How To Restore God's Blueprint for The Church (with Natalie Runion)

    In this episode of the Church Disrupted podcast, Jeff Cochran welcomes back Natalie Runion to discuss her latest book, 'The House that Jesus Built.' They explore the dangers of building on shifting sand, shepherds versus CEOs in church leadership, and the critical need for transparency and accountability within the church. Natalie and Jeff also discuss the importance of navigating disagreements with grace, the power of listening as a ministry, and the need for a healthy church culture that supports individuals leaving the church.

    Get Natalie's books and follow her work here: https://www.instagram.com/raisedtostay/
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    Chapters
    00:00 Intro
    02:24 Returning to the Blueprint: The House That Jesus Built
    05:34 The Dangers of Building on Shifting Sand
    12:06 The Role of Leadership: Shepherds vs. CEOs
    18:34 Financial Transparency in the Church
    30:08 Accountability and Trust in Church Finances
    37:06 The Widow's Mite: A Misunderstood Teaching
    45:40 Social Media Backlash: The Green Room Controversy
    51:14 The Impact of Financial Security on Pastoral Care
    01:00:20 Listening as a Spiritual Superpower
    01:05:12 Navigating Church Transitions: Leaving Well

    1 hr 15 min
  • 067: Church Betrayal: The Hidden Wounds Of Spiritual Abuse (with Lianna Chong)

    In this episode of the Church Disrupted podcast, Jeff Cochran and organizational psychologist Lianna Chong to explore the complex issues surrounding spiritual abuse within church settings. They discuss the importance of psychological safety, the role of whistleblowers, and the resistance to change often encountered in church leadership.

    Lianna shares her personal journey and about her research project aimed at creating a validated assessment to help individuals and churches recognize spiritual abuse,.
    Take Lianna's Survey Here: www.salcsurvey.com
    Follow Liana Here:
    - Instagram: @Liannachong
    - Substack: goodshepherding.substack.com
    Get the Power Control Wheel: https://www.theduluthmodel.org/wheels/
    Join Spiritual Abuse Awareness Weekend HERE: https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/about/saawarenessmonth
    Learn more about the Safe Church Pledge Here: https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/safechurchpledge
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    https://donorbox.org/sai-initial-funding-campaign
    Find out more about the Spiritual Abuse Institute and the Church Disrupted Podcast at https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/.
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    Chapters
    00:00 Introduction to Spiritual Abuse and Organizational Psychology
    03:01 Understanding Psychological Safety in Organizations
    05:49 The Role of Whistleblowers in Church Dynamics
    09:06 Resistance to Change in Church Leadership
    11:53 The Importance of Listening in Leadership
    15:11 Recognizing and Responding to Spiritual Abuse
    18:07 Personal Journey into Addressing Spiritual Abuse
    20:56 The Impact of Institutional Betrayal
    23:59 Healing from Spiritual Abuse and Trauma
    26:49 Existential Trauma and Its Effects
    30:13 The Challenge of Recognizing Spiritual Abuse
    39:24 Understanding Spiritual Abuse and Its Impact
    47:57 Recognizing Signs of Spiritual Abuse
    55:43 The Complexity of Holding Two Truths
    01:01:05 Developing Tools to Identify Spiritual Abuse
    01:10:10 Engaging the Community in Research

    1 hr 20 min
  • 066: What Is Spiritual Abuse & How In The World Do We STOP It?!

    What is spiritual abuse? How do we stop it and protect people? In this episode of the Church Disrupted podcast, Jeff Cochran answers these questions and delves into the complex and often insidious nature of spiritual abuse within church environments.

    Join Spiritual Abuse Awareness Weekend HERE: https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/about/saawarenessmonth
    Learn more about the Safe Church Pledge Here: https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/safechurchpledge
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    https://donorbox.org/sai-initial-funding-campaign
    Find out more about the Spiritual Abuse Institute and the Church Disrupted Podcast at https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/.
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    Chapters
    00:00 Understanding Spiritual Abuse
    06:55 Identifying the Signs of Spiritual Abuse
    29:49 The Dangers of Secrecy in Spiritual Communities
    39:15 Recognizing Spiritual Abuse: Key Indicators
    41:09 Resources for Identifying Spiritual Abuse
    42:08 Disrupting the Cycle of Spiritual Abuse
    55:29 Pursuing Healing and Accountability

    1 hr
  • 065: How to STOP Spiritual Abuse and Church Scandals

    How do we stop the seemingly endless line of moral failures, church scandals, and spiritual abuse cases in the Church? That's a question Christians everywhere should be asking.

    In this episode of the Church Disrupted Podcast, Jeff Cochran introduces the Safe Church Pledge from the Spiritual Abuse Institute and shares how this resource gives everyday Christians a voice in this conversation and puts accountability in all of our hands.


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    Find out more about the Spiritual

    Abuse Institute and the Church Disrupted Podcast at https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/.


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    Learn more about the Safe Church Pledge Here: https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/safechurchpledge

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    Chapters:

    00:00 The Urgency of Addressing Spiritual Abuse

    02:55 Introducing the Safe Church Pledge

    05:49 Understanding the Safe Church Pledge Framework

    09:10 The Pillars of Safe Churches: Transparency, Accountability, and Protection

    11:58 Implementing Financial Transparency in Churches

    14:48 Conflict of Interest Policies and Their Importance

    18:08 The Role of NDAs and Non-Compete Clauses in Churches

    37:39 The Impact of Non-Compete Agreements in Churches

    44:59 Understanding Non-Disclosure Agreements (NDAs) in Ministry

    52:36 The Importance of Transparency in Church Affiliations

    01:00:50 Establishing Accountability in Church Governance

    01:06:07 Creating Effective Leave Policies for Church Leaders

    01:12:25 Implementing Protective Measures for Trauma-Informed Care

    01:15:41 Protecting Victims: The Importance of Whistleblower Policies

    01:18:59 Independent Investigations: Ensuring Accountability

    01:22:24 Staff Care: Supporting Church Employees

    01:25:20 Counseling for Pastors: Prioritizing Mental Health

    01:28:34 Protection Policies: Safeguarding All Ages

    01:32:59 The Safe Church Pledge: A Call to Action

    01:41:34 Building Trust: The Future of Safe Churches

    1 hr 53 min
  • 64.5: Narcissism, Hush Money, & Spiritual Abuse: Big Problems in Churches Today!

    In the final episode of the Church Disrupted Podcast for 2024, we re-stream part of episode 1 as a reminder of where we've been and where we are going. Narcissism, hush money, NDAs, and spiritual abuse in churches are all on the docket for this round table conversation.

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    Find out more about the Spiritual Abuse Institute and the Church Disrupted Podcast at https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/.


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    1 hr 21 min
  • 064: Untwisting Scriptures How the Bible is Misused to Manipulate & Control People

    In the final new episode of the Church Disrupted podcast for 2024, host Jeff Cochran welcomes back Rebecca Davis, author of the Untwisting Scriptures book series. They discuss the journey of unlearning misconceptions about scripture, particularly the controversial concept of 'dying to self.' Rebecca emphasizes the importance of returning to the Word of God for understanding and encourages listeners to engage in conversations about faith and theology, even when they disagree. The conversation also touches on the role of faith in understanding scripture, the importance of living in freedom rather than striving for holiness, and the importance of empathy in healing trauma, particularly within the church context.


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    Get Rebecca's books and FREE resources here: https://heresthejoy.com/

    Find out more about the Spiritual Abuse Institute and the Church Disrupted Podcast at https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/.


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    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to Untwisting Scriptures

    02:54 The Journey of Unlearning and Understanding Scripture

    06:05 Dying to Self: A Controversial Concept

    08:51 Exploring Misunderstandings in Scripture

    12:07 The Role of Faith and Trust in Understanding

    14:59 Living in Freedom: The Final Part of the Journey

    27:27 The Role of Suffering and Empathy in Healing

    30:45 Understanding Trauma and the Church's Response

    34:35 Misrepresentation of God and Scripture

    39:44 Debunking Myths: Dying to Self vs. Following Christ

    49:22 Resources for Spiritual Growth and Understanding


    56 min
  • 063: What I Learned from the Daystar Scandal that CHURCHES Need to Know!

    We've had so many Church Scandals in 2024 that people are starting to get scandal fatigue... with the CHURCH!!! This should NEVER BE! If christians want to stop this madness and see real change in the Church, then we HAVE TO LEARN some key lessons from recent scandals like the one at Daystar TV. So, in this episode of the Church Disrupted Podcast, Jeff Cochran shares 20 lessons that churches can learn, and SHOULD learn, to return to being above reproach and above scandal.

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    Roys Report Articles on Daystar Scandal;

    - https://julieroys.com/former-daystar-tv-executive-wife-accuse-joni-lamb-covering-up-daughters-sexual-abuse/

    - https://julieroys.com/podcast/full-audio-of-daystar-meeting/

    - https://julieroys.com/suzy-lamb-says-she-was-pressured-to-hide-her-sexual-assault/


    Find out more about the Spiritual Abuse Institute and the Church Disrupted Podcast at https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/.

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    Chapters

    00:00 Learning from Scandals: The Need for Reform

    03:18 Addressing Celebrity Culture in the Church

    05:08 Expecting Higher Standards in the Church

    07:03 Defining the Church Beyond IRS Labels

    08:31 The Church as a Body, Not a Business

    10:00 The Power of Community Action

    11:27 Disqualification of Leaders through Intimidation

    12:53 The Importance of Documentation

    16:18 Standing Against Spiritual Bullies

    18:41 Severance Policies and Church Staff Rights

    22:05 Whistleblower Protection in Churches

    23:33 Proactive Policies for Investigations

    25:56 Ethics of Tithes and Legal Fees

    27:49 The Dangers of Nepotism

    30:13 The Harm of NDAs in Churches

    31:13 The Need for Independent Church Boards

    33:07 Transparency and Accountability as Non-Negotiables

    34:34 Understanding Leadership Accountability

    35:58 Recognizing and Preventing Spiritual Abuse

    37:55 Setting the Standard: Above Reproach


    44 min
  • 062: EXPOSING the Daystar NDA & Breaking it Down in Detail!

    On today's episode of the Church Disrupted Podcast, Jeff Cochran reveals the actual NDA that Daystar TV tried to force Jonathan Lamb to sign. In this video, Jeff compares the NDA to what Joni said about it, and breaks down where things don't line up with her statement, the red flags of the NDA, and what christians can learn from this document about NDA use and its dangers in the Church!

    Roys Report Articles on Daystar Scandal;
    - https://julieroys.com/former-daystar-tv-executive-wife-accuse-joni-lamb-covering-up-daughters-sexual-abuse/
    - https://julieroys.com/podcast/full-audio-of-daystar-meeting/
    - https://julieroys.com/suzy-lamb-says-she-was-pressured-to-hide-her-sexual-assault/
    Boz Tchividjian Video- https://youtu.be/A2wtT6s3qqg?si=LoFsMFa9aiMv21Qq
    John Ferrell Video - https://youtu.be/VgPRPxriwm4?si=g9mBFhEqlKBpH0Hi
    Chapters
    00:00 Unpacking the Daystar TV Scandal
    02:58 Understanding NDAs in Church Contexts
    06:06 The Pressure to Sign: A Closer Look at the NDA
    08:57 Legal Perspectives on NDAs
    11:47 Analyzing the Daystar NDA
    15:11 Red Flags in Non-Disclosure Agreements
    18:04 The Dangers of Non-Disparagement Clauses
    20:57 Trade Secrets vs. Confidentiality in Churches
    36:31 Understanding Confidential Information
    39:50 Evaluating the NDA's Structure
    41:15 Identifying Red Flags in the NDA
    46:32 Analyzing Non-Disparagement and Non-Compete Clauses
    52:51 Assessing the Reasonableness of Confidentiality Definitions
    01:00:25 Concluding Thoughts on NDAs in Church Contexts

    1 hr 14 min
  • 061: Why Joni Lamb Should Be REMOVED from Daystar TV It's a long List!

    Should Joni Lamb be removed or resign from leadership at Daystar? We think so, and in this episode of the Church Disrupted Podcast, Jeff Cochran shares a long list of reasons why. 22 reasons, to be exact.

    Roys Report Articles on Daystar Scandal;
    - https://julieroys.com/former-daystar-tv-executive-wife-accuse-joni-lamb-covering-up-daughters-sexual-abuse/
    - https://julieroys.com/podcast/full-audio-of-daystar-meeting/
    - https://julieroys.com/suzy-lamb-says-she-was-pressured-to-hide-her-sexual-assault/
    Chapters
    00:00 The Daystar TV Scandal Unfolds
    03:11 Reasons for Joni Lamb's Removal
    05:58 Concerns Over NDAs and Legal Threats
    08:46 The Use of Darvo and Lack of Transparency
    12:08 Investigations and Accountability Issues
    14:55 Behavioral Concerns and Spiritual Abuse
    17:48 Celebrity Culture and Leadership Integrity
    21:09 The Impact of Allegations on Family Dynamics
    23:57 Character Concerns and Public Perception
    27:01 Final Thoughts on Leadership and Accountability

    41 min
  • 060: The Shocking Daystar Scandal & Joni Lamb's Disturbing Response

    Just when you thought the Daystar scandal couldn't get any worse, Joni Lamb made a statement that made it worse. In this episode of the Church Disrupted Podcast, Jeff Cochran breaks down the DARVO like responses in Joni Lamb's official statement and in a recent Daystar TV interview. And sadly, just like many church scandals this year, DARVO reared its ugly head. DARVO is deeply damaging and is the worst response ministries and faith leaders could make to allegations of sin and abuse, yet it seems to be the go to response. We talk about why and how to recognize it in this episode.

    Roys Report Articles on Daystar Scandal;- https://julieroys.com/former-daystar-tv-executive-wife-accuse-joni-lamb-covering-up-daughters-sexual-abuse/- https://julieroys.com/podcast/full-audio-of-daystar-meeting/- https://julieroys.com/suzy-lamb-says-she-was-pressured-to-hide-her-sexual-assault/Chapters00:00 Allegations Against Daystar TV and Initial Reactions02:52 The Importance of Independent Investigations06:12 Analyzing Joni Lamb's Response09:01 Understanding DARVO in Church Responses11:48 The Role of Tone and Language in Responses15:04 The Impact of Spiritual Abuse Allegations17:52 The Need for Transparency and Accountability21:03 Examining the Interview Dynamics24:12 The Consequences of Denial and Attacks26:59 Final Thoughts on Trust and Credibility42:56 Discrediting and Dehumanization in Media Responses49:03 Family Dynamics and Allegations of Control56:04 The Ethics of Recording Conversations01:01:14 Authority and Accountability in Leadership01:07:43 The Impact of Darvo on Credibility01:13:45 The Role of NDAs in Church Organizations01:20:20 Concluding Thoughts on Transparency and Trust

    1 hr 27 min

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Taking on church hurt and spiritual abuse one conversation at a time. If you’ve been hurt by the church, you’re not alone. Together, we can heal. Together, we can bring about change. It’s time to take a stand!

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