Cider Chat

Carlo Hein has always loved cider. That cider love and perhaps his work in renovation and sustainable energy spurred him and his friends to start a cidery. Upon noticing the fallen fruit and neglected apples trees in his area of Luxembourg. He realized, "We need to save these orchards"

And so he did. Ramborn Cider Co began selling cider in 2015 and is Luxembourg's only cidery.

To make cider he first called Peter Mitchell, who is renown worldwide for his classes on cidermaking. Carlo asked Peter if he would help Ramborn. Peter replied that first you must take my course and then we will discuss making cider for Ramborn.

Today Peter Mitchel still consults to Ramborn Cider, which undeniably lends a good amount of UK profile to each of the ciders.

• Viez

Rambo is an apple known in France and Sweden and in Luxembourg. Like so many wonderful cider blends, Ramborn Cider Company is part Rambo apple and the town "Born". Upon further research Carlo found that David Morrel the author of the book "First Blood" which inspired the movie Rambo was looking for a name for the main character protrayed by Slyvester Stallone in the movie. Morrel's wife came in from the market and said why not use an apple name! The rest is history and all this goes to show you that once again the apple provides the bases for so many good stories throughout history.

With Ramborn being the only cidery in the country the support is massive from both the locals and the government.

• The 1781 barn at Ramborn is original.
• The architecture is based upon the style that is classically Marie Thersea of Austria, the country that once ruled this area. There is a center square courtyard and the barn that housed a cidery and distillery has been turned into a cinema.

• The tour is 1 1/2 hours long and includes a movie that you can hear a short clip of in this podcast.
• The movie does play in different languages.
• The tour brings you through the production area and the farm.
• Ramborn Cider can accommodate up to 140 people per time.
• There is also a walking tour through the time.
• There is no tasting room, but upon request there is a dinning area that can be reserved for group dinners.

• Original - flagship cider
• Farmhouse
• Somerset Blend
• Perry
• Avalon 2015
• Hopped Cider Cascade
• Erbachhofer - single Variety
• Kingston Black - Single Variety

Website: https://ramborn.com/en/about/

Telephone: +352 26 72 92 04 Address:

• 23, Duerfstrooss L-6660 Born Luxembourg
• Twitter: @RambornCider
• Facebook
• Instagram

• Ontario Craft Cider Week June 1th - June 8th

• Ryan Monkman - Fieldbird Cider
• Totally Cider Tour: Normandy France September 23 - 29, 2018

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Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat

1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
3. Oliver's Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia
10. Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103
11. Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK
12. Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat
13. Ironbark Ciderworks, Claremont, California

Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today!

Cider won big at the 23rd Annual Home-brew Competition held in Boston and put on by the Wort Processors - a home-brew club. Tom Bell's New World Cider won both Best in Show for cider and placed 3rd in the Best Overall in Show. This means that Tom's winning cider was placed in the final competition for Best Overall with 37 winning beers.

Best of Show Winners Circle

1st Maurice Dalton's - Gueze

2rd Matthew Border - German Pils

3rd Tom Bell - New World Cider

4th Brett Smith : Chocolate Raspberry Milk Stout

Honorable Mention - Peter Bowers: Specialty Wood Aged

Tom's cidermaking tools & techniques for this cider

• A garbage disposal for grinding up apples
• Added Pectin Aid
• Macerated the pressed apples for 24 hours
• Pressed in a basket press
• Wild yeast - then EC118 for the bottle fermentation
• Initial gravity: 1.064
• Racked every 10 point drop in the gravity and to separate the cider from the lees
• Everything was going great until a Pectic Haze showed up
• For the haze Tom used Scott's Lab Spectrum
• It didn't take care of the pectin on the bottom, but did clear the cider on the top of the pectic gel.
• Bottle conditioned with 12 grams of dextrose

Here is the link to the crown cap conversation.

Many aspects of champagne style cider covered here including links to caps..

Contact for Wort Processor's Home-brew Competition

Website: http://www.bhc.wort.org/

Annual Boston Home-brew Competition

Wort Processors

Mentions in this Chat

GLINTCAP - Great Lakes International Cider and Perry Competition

Franklin County CiderDays

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Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat

1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
3. Oliver's Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia
10. Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103
11. Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK
12. Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat
13. Ironbark Ciderworks, Claremont, California

Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today!

Matt DeLong grew up making cider and what he once called "Apple Wine". Western Michigan has what is known as the wine trail and there are lots of fruit wines, so it is no surprise that Matt first considered a career in the wine industry.

Things started to change around 2009 - 2010 when he noticed a whole lot of ciders in his area of west Michigan popping up.

He credits the support of his wife Valerie for helping him hone his vision and open Ridge Cider Company in 2014. The cidery is based in the town of Grant, Michigan in a building that was once used to process onions.

Time Line of change for Ridge CiderCo - to Ride Cider LLC

• Matt teamed up with Bruce Rasch in 2014, one of the largest apple growers in the same region
• Matt began selling cider commercially in 2015.
• Not discussed in this chat is that Ridge Cider Co. sold its majority share to RC Investors, in April of 2017. RC is an investment firm owned by Dick Devos, husband of Betty Devos - the current U.S. Education Secretary in the Trump Administration.

In this chat we discuss 3 Ridge Ciders -

• Porch Sittin - notes of vanilla and cinnamon - this is the flagship
• Raspberry -
• Hopped

Now in Cans

• Porch Sittin
• Berries
• Hopped

Matt uses an accordion press - or squeeze box that he bought used from a cider house in Maryland, back in 2014.

What would Matt have done differently

• More definitive plans
• And know who will be your targeted customers

Contact info Ridge Cider

Website: http://www.ridgecider.com/about/

email: [email protected]

Telephone: (231) 674-2040

Address: smack in the middle of Grant, Michigan

Ridge Cider social media:

• Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/ridgecider/
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ridgeciderco/
• Twitter: https://twitter.com/Ridgeciderco

Cider Chat Live episode 1 :Boston Judging Best in Show Competition https://anchor.fm/ciderchat/episodes/BOSTON--Judging-Best-In-Show-Cider-e1e4hf.

• Winners of the 23rd Annual Boston Hombrew Competion - A New World Cider won Best in Show for Ciders. This cider moved onto the Best in Show for the entire competition and was awarded 3rd place. First and Second place went to beers.
• Listen to episode 128 next week and hear Tom Bell telling us how he made his award winning cider that captured Best in Show.

Upcoming Competions

• May 16, 2018 - International Cider & Perry, Hereford UK
• May 16-19, 2018 Great Lakes International Cider and Perry competition

Upcoming Festivals

Michigan Cider Week - Cider Chat will be at the Gillette Bride Cider Fest on May 19th - 1-5pm

June 9, 2018 The Pressed Fest begins at 2pm - 6pm in Longmont, Colorado

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Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat

1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
3. Oliver's Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia
10. Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103
11. Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK
12. Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat
13. Ironbark Ciderworks, Claremont, California

Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today!

Little Pomona's makers and founders, Susanna and James Forbes have a long history with libations. James worked as a wine buyer and marketer, while Susanna who started in physics became one of the UK's leading libation writers. Her book Cider Insider will be released later this year. James is amazing and with Susanna who also did a spell as drinks editor of Imbibe magazine and as a member of the Guild of British Beer Writers. She used to go by the moniker Drink Britain!

• From the city to country life in Herefordshire
• The family of cider makers
• Stepping out of the box with cider styles
• The orchard at Little Pomona

• There is no doubt that these ciders are stepping out! Read: not your typical UK cider.
• James' background in wine is certainly influencing the profile of each cider produced.
• If ever there was a cider that would be worthy of buying one now to drink and 5 more to cellar, Little Pomona is the cidery to choose.
• Delicate, yet bold, each cider that I tasted during this chat was complex, tannic and not your typical UK cider.
• Old Man and The Bees - 7.5% wild yeast cider
  • Dabinet
  • Harry Masters Jersey
  • Foxswhelp
  • Ellis bitter
• The Unicorn - a spontaneous keeved cider
  • We "Shaked it to wake it" and then drank it in this chat! Lovely
• Art of Darkness (2015)
• Being released at the London Wine Fair on the 22nd of May 2018 go to (stand DB15) and find C'est Si Bon Bonnes (2016), a single barrel bottling
• In July 2018 look for Perry Comma, a single barrel bottling in Pet Nat style form the 2017 vintage. The fruit came from a very ancient orchard close to Dymock in Gloucestershire.
• In August, look for another Pet Nat with a blend of Dabinett (95%) and Ellis Bitter (5%) from the 2017 harvest, called For Those About to Rack.

Contact the Fine Cider Company distributes Little Pomona ciders in the UK.

• Website: http://www.littlepomona.com/
• Telephone: +44 1885 410645
• Email: mailto:[email protected]
• Address: Brook House Farm, Avenbury Ln, Bromyard HR7 4LB, United Kingdom

• Tom Oliver Olivers Cider and Perry
• Mike Johnson - Ross on Wye Cider and Perry Co.
• Simon Day - Once Upon a Tree
• Hop Burns and Black - a London shop selling fine cider and craft libations
• Burough wine and beers - stores
• Imbibe magazine

Paul Vander Heide opened Vander Mill a cidery based in Spring Lake Michigan in 2008. Some might think that 3000 square feet is a good size for a start up cidery and they would be right. But as Paul reminisces in this chat, they had to expand quickly when they had to move outdoors to continue production.

In 2016, a new location was open in Grand Rapids. Both locations have a Tap Room and Restaurant.

Vander Mill makes both modern ciders and Heritage ciders.

Go to 31:57 in the podcast to hear Paul discuss the question of what is a Heritage apple in the US.

At CiderCon2018 Paul was elected as the new President of the United States Association of Cider Makers. He is very optimistic about cider in America and speaks about embracing the diversity of makers in the US, which range from traditional, modern to a blend of both.

For Vander Mill the consumers informed this maker on the styles that they make, says Paul " It was the consumer that drove our business into a wide range of styles for Vander Mill. The cidery makes both Heritage and Modern ciders.

And while the cider drinker's palate slowly changes towards more subtle notes, Paul is not waiting on planting cider apple varieties. He credits Vander Mill's partnership with a local grower who has put in a large block of cider apples for making the future look quite bright….or…er…full bodied and tannic. :)

Find Vander Mill ciders, distributed in:

• Michigan
• Wisconsin
• Ohio
• Indiana
• Illinois

Draft accounts throughout Michigan and Chicago with a sprinkling of draft accounts throughout the other states

Contact Vander Mill

• Website: http://vandermill.com/

Spring Lake location

• Telephone: 616-842-4337
• Address for Tap Room & Restaurant
  • 14921 Cleveland Street Spring Lake
  • Michigan, 49456
    • Hours:
      • Sunday Brunch 10-2pm
      • Wed & Thurs 2-9pm
      • Fri 2-10pm
      • Sat 11-10pm
        • 2-4pm snacks, 4pm dinner starts

Grand Rapids Tap Room, Restaurant & Production

• Telephone: 616-259-8828
• Address for Tap Room & Restaurant
  • 505 Ball Ave NE
  • Grand Rapids, MI 49503
    • Hours:
      • Sunday Brunch 9am-3pm
      • Mon-Thurs 11am-11pm
      • Fri-Sat 11am-12am

Mentions in this chat

6-degrees of Cider - share the news on the Totally Cider Tour headed to Normandy France September 23-29, 2018

Allan Hyland maker at Door Peninsula Winery who sent a box of 3 ciders to Ria.

• Mimosa
• Modern
• Heritage

Virtue Cider - view the unboxing of the Rosé ciders sent to Ria.

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Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat

1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
3. Oliver's Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia
10. Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103
11. Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK
12. Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat
13. Ironbark Ciderworks, Claremont, California

Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today!

Kirk Billingsley has been charmed by cider ever since he was a kid. Coming home from school he fondly remembers being mentored by his dad who had a barrel of sweet cider (non fermented apple juice) outside the family's home in the same county of Highland where he still lives today. In 2015 he opened Big Fish Cider Company after making cider non commercially for 25 years in his home.

This chat was recorded at CiderCon2018. Sarah Collins Simmons who works with Kirk also joined us and offered a great perspective on the orchard care of all the trees helping Big Fish make such delicious cider.

Big Fish Apples

Varieties at the main apple orchard

• Golden Russet
• Northern Spy
• Jonagold
• Ashmead Kernel
• Dolgo crab apples

In total Big Fish has around 300 trees to pick from. Most, if not all, are heritage trees that were planted over a 100 years ago on farmland that was long forgotten.

• On any given day they are pressing 250 gallons of cider.

Cidermaking technique used at Big Fish: Slow & cold ferment

With an occasional bit of back sweetening because the apples are so acid (sweet helps to balance out the acid)

Use small 2000 liter and 1000 liter tanks and Oxygen barrier IBC

Big Fish has a Tasting Room

• The room is currently 400 square feet and has 3 tables and 12 chairs
• This year they are expanding the Tasting Room…maybe there will be 6 tables and 24 chairs.
• Kirk bought the building a while back. It was built in 1920 and built with wood called Wormy Chestnut

Kirk's Cidermaking Tip:

• Experiment with yeast
• Look at areas of the world that like the style of cider that you do.

• Website: http://www.bigfishcider.com/
• eMail: [email protected]
• Telephone: 540-468-2322
• Address
  • 59 Spruce Street
  • Monterey, VA 24465

Where to stay when visiting Big Fish Cider Co?

• The Highland Inn

Mentions in this Chat

• March Maple Festival http://www.highlandcounty.org/events/maple-festival/
  • The second and third weekend of the month each year.

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Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat

1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
3. Oliver's Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia
10. Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103
11. Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK
12. Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat
13. Ironbark Ciderworks, Claremont, California

Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today!

Poiré Fermier is French for Perry Farmer, which is only part of the story for the featured guest in this episode 123. Cidermaker Philippe and wife Marie-Claire Derouault also manage a herd of dairy cows who graze and laze among orchards of apples and pears on their 120 hectares (297 acres) situated in Loré, France.

There are 14 Poiré producers in this region of southern Normandy and the Perry they make is known as Poiré Domfront.

Here Calvados is made with a base of Poiré rather than cider. The standard is to have up to 70% Poiré in this region's Calvados which has the following appellations

• an AOC or Appellation d'Origine Contrôlée (since 2002),
• an AOP(*) or Appellation d'Origine Protégée, is equivalent to the AOC in Europe (since 2006).

Pears used in this region Normandy

• Plant de Blanc - up to 40% of the juice for Poiré must come from this pear.
• Rouge Vigné
• Gros Blot
• Plant Roux
• De Cloche
• Gaubert

Here the pear trees are hundreds of years old. Notably, Pear trees were already growing in Normandy in the 11th century, before the cider apples arrived via Northern Spain.

Come explore this region of France, meet the maker and drink Poiré and Cidre with Cider Chat Host Ria Windcaller via the Totally Cider Tour to Normandy September 23-29, 2018.

Philippe and Marie-Claire's farm "Earl du Bois" is on the tour!

• Reservations at totallycider.com
• Early Bird Registration ends April 30, 2018

Mentions in this chat

• Center for Rural Affairs - matching young farmers with farm land

Cider Festivals

• Huon Valley Mid Winterfest - Tasmania - Australia July 13-15, 2018
• Cider Expo - Caen, France July 7, 8, 9, 2018

Cider Competitions

• May 5, 2018 23rd Annual Boston Homebrew (...and cider & mead) Competition
• May 16, 2018 - International Cider & Perry, Hereford UK
• May 16-19, 2018 Great Lakes International Cider and Perry competition

Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat

1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
3. Oliver's Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia
10. Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103
11. Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK
12. Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat

Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today!

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Cider enthusiast Michel Dargent hosted Ria at his home in September 2017. Monsieur Dargent is a cider aficionado, making the two night stay at his gîte (bed & breakfast) the perfect stop on Ria's cider tour of Normandy.

Listen in on this intimate conversation as we discuss the ancient pear trees in the Domfront region, blood sausage and a very special cidermaker.

Monsieur Dargent made the evening dinner with all local products from a nearby farm and served each dish with a cider (cidre) and perry (poiré).

Régis Angot, the maker, will be one of the stops on the upcoming Totally Cider Tour to Normandy September 23 -29, 2018. Click here to for reservations.

Mentions in this Chat

• Blog: Wild Child Cellars | #ciderGoingUP in Turners Falls Massachusetts
• Episode 20: Curt Sherrer | Millstone Cellars, Maryland
• Graft Cider, New York

Cider Competitions:

• May 5, 2018 23rd annual Boston Homebrew (...and cider & mead) Competition
• May 16, 2018 - International Cider & Perry, Hereford UK
• May 16-19, 2018 Great Lakes International Cider and Perry competition

Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today!

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Tieton Cider Works was founded by Marcus Roberts and is based in Yakima Washington. Tieton works with Harmony Orchards which has 55 acres of cider apples and perry pears.

Marcus who takes a scientific approach to making cider and perry, is the General Manager of Tieton Cider Works overseeing both a modern and traditional approach to cider making.

In this chat Marcus shares how Tieton using the technique called keeving to make Perry.

Why make Keeved Cider or Perry?

Keeving provide a sweet profile without needing to add sugar (back sweetening) when bottling.

Growing Perry Pears

Tieton has eight different varieties of Perry Pears and uses a trellis system for the pear trees. Marcus is testing the old adage "growing pears for your heirs" finding that by using a trellis system for growing in 4 years, the trees grew 12 feet!

Tieton plants trees 12 feet across and 5 feet between trees - a 12 x 5 trellis system

The limbs are trained down the wire on the trellis system.

Picking Perry Pears

Color pick the pears.

• Pick when green- which Marcus says they develop more aroma when stored.
• Versus picking it "dead ripe" on the tree.
• Marcus monitors the pear to see if the pear turning yellow on the outside.
• Once ripe, they must be pressed within 24 hours to avoid the pears turning to mush.

Tieton Perry Making methods

• Macerate over the course of 24 hours - for the tannin structure.
• Leaves the pulp on the juice.

Marcus says, "Some of the tannins are solvable. By leaving tannins on the juice during the process of Maceration the tannins become more supple. This is what we are going for."

Once done, Tieton then goes through the keeving process with the perry.

Managing citric acid when making perry.

• Manage the bacterias that produce acetic bacteria by temperature control.
• Tieton manages it by temperature control. around 34 degrees Fahrenheit.
• It took 5 months to drop 5 brixs at that temperature.
• When it the peak time to drink a high tannin Perry.
• Tannin helps the perry or cider age very slowly can cellar for a longer time and will have the tendency to get better over time.

Contact Tieton Cider Works

• Website: https://tietonciderworks.com
• email: [email protected]
• Phone: 509-571-1430
• Address:
  • 619 South J Street
  • Yakima, WA 98902

Mentions in this Chat

• Totally Cider Tour - September 23-29, 2018 - Normandy France
  • Reservations
• 23rd Annual Boston Homebrew Competition May 5, 2018
• Great Lakes International Cider and Perry (GLINTCAP) competition May 16-19, 2018

Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat

1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
3. Oliver's Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia
10. Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103
11. Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK
12. Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat

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Noble Cider in Asheville, North Carolina opened in 2013 after Trevor Baker lost his job in online retail. He wasn't a cidermaker at the time, but he and his wife Joanna both enjoyed drinking cider.

After taking a cidermaking course with Peter Mitchell at WSU Mount Vernon, he delved straightaway into getting his own commercial cidery with his wife and business partner Lief Stevens.

Noble was started with around 17 grand! Having a "good business plan with a good business model" says Trevor, "Helped us secure an economic development loan of $40,000."

Before Noble became fully permitted they juiced apples and froze them in IBC totes, which are large plastic containers used throughout Ciderville around the globe for making cider.

The Tasting Room and production facility is a little outside of downtown Asheville, but this summer there will be a brand new Tasting Room right in the heart of the city.

• Expect 20 taps that include 6 beers and seasonal small batch ciders at the current location
• Noble makes both modern ciders and traditional ciders.
• Both can be enjoyed in the Tasting Room and be bought in bottles to go.

The modern cider made year round at Noble

• The flagship cider is a called The Standard Bearer. It is a crisp, dry cider at 6.9%
• Village Tart - Cherry Cider
• Spice Merchant - Chai Cider
• Golden Arrow - Ginger Cider
• There is a spring seasonal Blueberry with honey and rosemary

In 2017 the Noble Team began planting heirloom trees - Harrison, Wickson, Roxbury Russets and others

Annual production is around 100,000 gallons a year, up from 2000 gallons the first year.

Contact Noble Cider

Website: www.NobleCider.com

Phone number: 828-575-9622

Address

356 New Leicester Highway

Asheville, NC 28806

Mentions in this Chat

• Spoke + Spy - Middletown, Connecticut cidery with Ron and Kimberly Sansome
• Ciderthon - April 29th in the UK - a run that includes drinking cider along the way
• Totally Cider Tours: Normandy September 23-29, 2018

Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat

1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
3. Oliver's Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.
8. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg.
9. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia
10. Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103
11. Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK
12. Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat

Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today!

Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving!

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