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Barrel aging cider is as old as time. Considering that, one would think that it should be pretty straight forward to pour fresh pressed apple juice into a barrel and create a delicious end product. Right? Wrong!

Barrels require preparation and maintenance to make sure that the end product is well balanced. In essence, you are not only managing the cider, but the wood too since both are alive with microorganisms.

In this chat we delve into reusing a barrel that was originally charred, then had whiskey added. Brooklyn Distillery the orginaial owner of the 25 gallon barrel sold it to Exhibit A Brewing Company. Matt Steinberg owner and brewer of Exhibit A put an Imperial Stout in the barrel.

I purchased the empty barrel from Matt for cider and share with you my long weekend of discovery on preparing the barrel for cider.

The goal is to keep the wood staves moist and swollen so once the cider is added it doesn't leak. In addition, funky bacterias like acetobacter and wild yeasts must be kept out so your barrel doesn't begin to smell like vinegar.

But How to Set up and Prepare a Used Barrel for Cider?

First a warning everyone should heed: If your barrel had spirits avoid using a sulfur stick as it can inflame the residual spirits and make that barrel explosive.

• Some say add citric acid and SO2.
• Matt said to rinse the barrel with warm water, empty it, and then wrap in in plastic wrap. I figured this would become an even more inviting environment for those funky bacterias that can really messed up your cider.

I decided to add water and SO2.

Fingers crossed, as I will be getting back to how the barrel rolls in follow up episodes of Cider Chat.

Cool words and Vocabulary you should know

Amphora - clay vessels used to hold wine. Made by potters and used by the Egyptions and Romans

Kveri - a larger version of the amphora that was placed in the ground and used to make wine. Listen to episode 011-Geoff Richardson | Castle Hill Cider, Virginia Castle Hill makes cider in their onsite Kveris! Too Cool!!!

Vinny Nail - Vinny Cilurzo of Russian River Brewing Company is the man behind the nail that brewers put into a barrel and use it to take samples.

Mentions in this chat!

Eve's Cidery special August deal for Cider Chat listeners

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057 Eric Bordelet | Normandy, France Part 1

058 Eric Bordelet | Ancient Pears Chay Tour Part 2

087: Cyzer, Mead & Kombucha | ArtBev, MA With Garth Shandyfelt

Ask for the following 7 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville.

1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
3. Oliver's Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.

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Simple Cider's is located on the southern tip of Tasmania in a region dripping with Apple history. Tasmania was and is still called the Apple Isle making it the perfect place for makers like Patrick and the team at Simple Ciders to launch into the craft.

The cidery started commercially producing ciders in 2014. It is an orchard based cidery, meaning that the apples are grown right alongside the cider mill. Patrick worked as a system's analysis and then winemaker, after as he says jokingly that he was looking "for a job that allowed me to get really messy, cold and wet on a regular basis. So I went into making wine and cider."

Simple Cider makes small batch, dry apple cider. The ciders are unfiltered and are naturally carbonated, meaning bottle conditioned. Right now they are making approximately 15,000 litres/year or nearly 4000 gallons.

Patrick says, "The fruit is the story" and after tasting both the Cox's Orange Pippin 7.5% alcohol by volume and the Granny Smith & Ginger 8% abv, I have to agree.

The ciders are delicate and dry..maybe even a bit semi dry...with just the right amount of carbonation.

Tasmania is making a slow comeback in growing cider apples, so makers are working with primarily culinary apples while planting cider varieties.

In this chat Patrick talks about the landscape of Tasmania, the cider scene, his ciders and the Wild Cherry, which is fermented whole cherries using the carbonic maceration technique of fermenting the fruit with in this case pits and a full layer of CO2. This lends a fruity aroma and taste.

Main chat with Patrick begins at 19:56 minutes

Contact Simple Ciders

website: http://simplecider.com.au/our-story/

email: [email protected]

Telephone: 0404 990 644

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Featured Artist: Emma Ayres at 14:11 minutes

Singing: Route 3

Find out about Emma's music via the links below

https://emmajunemusic.bandcamp.com/

https://www.facebook.com/emmajuneband

Ask for the following 7 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville.

1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
3. Oliver's Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.

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Three guys and an endless supply of credit cards helped build what is today called Artisan Beverage Cooperative (ARTBEV) in Greenfield, Massachusetts. General Manager and co founder Garth Shandyfelt provides an overview on how ARTBEV grew plus;

• working in a cooperative
• getting capital to expand via a direct public offer of stock
• what is mead
• what is cyser
• creating a sustainable model for growth

Started in 2010 making mead, ARTBEV's multi tiered business now produces a range of products to keep stock rolling out the door. Mead and Cyser, for instance, can take upwards to a year or longer to condition, whereas the Ginger Libation made by ARTBEV can be made in two weeks, much like beer.

What is Mead?

Fermented Water, Honey and Yeast or what Garth calls wine made with honey.

"It is a mead if you have more than 50% of your fermentable made with honey."

A Braggot is a beer made with honey and cider

What is Cyser or Cyzer (as ARTBEV calls it - go to 1 hour in on the podcast and find out why)

A cider made with some amount of cider during initial fermentation.

Some cider has honey added for sweetening, but may not be considered a cyser.

How much honey does ARTBEV use yearly?

• Upwards to 6000 pounds of honey all delivered via 5 gallon buckets

How much honey do you need to make a 5-gallon batch of mead?

You will need upwards to 12-15 pounds of honey for a 5 gallon batch.

Garth was inspired by Dan Conlon is a key figure in New England working with bees at Warm Colors Apiary.

Books mentioned by Garth in this chat

The Complete Mead Maker by Ken Schramm

2. Sacred and Herbal Healing Beers: The Secrets of Ancient Fermentation, by Stephen Harrod Buhner

Contact Artisan Beverage Cooperative

website: http://artbev.coop/

telephone: 413- 773-9700

email: [email protected]

Address:

324 Wells Street

Greenfield, MA

In the same building as Franklin County Community Development Corp.

Tasting Room hours

Friday 4-7pm

Saturday 2-6pm

Ask for the following 7 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville.

1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
3. Oliver's Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.

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Cider presses have come in a number of different shapes and forms over the centuries. Listen to episode 78 with Oscar Busto and Mayador in Asturias. A Mayadar (usually a man) crushed apples with a long pole with a blunt end. It was hard laborious work.

The cider press itself might be huge and weigh a ton, such as the presses used at large cider mills where a pole the size of a tree would weigh done upon crushed apples that often would be held in a swath of straw.

Colonist in the New World used a flat stone that was grooved in a circle and fitted a basket. One end always had a spout for the apple juice to pour out.

The common way if you were lucky, was to have a basket press. Even today basket presses are used by both commercial and non commercial cidermakers.

Listen to episode 3 with Robert Colnes as he describes Building a Cider House and making a cloth and rack press.

Read about Worley Cider's blog on their new belt press and see their rack and cloth press. Their new belt press can process 1.5 tons of apples/hour versus the rack and cloth press the moved through 3 tons of apple per day. Yes presses do evolve.

The maker of the belt press now being used by Worley cider is from Kreuzmayr

Suffice to say, cider presses have evolved over the years, but a tried an true method even today is a basket press.

I have been wanting a press of my own for years now and this week's chat is on an auction and a bid that sent me home with an 1890's cider press from Clark Cutaway Harrow - aka Higganum Manufacturing Company in Connecticut.

But before I was tipped off of on this auction taking place I was looking at making my own. Take a look at the two videos that follow to see just some of the ingenuity that folks are using to make cider. I'm still thinking about using this video below and trying to make this "apple masher" and press.

I hope you enjoy this chat as much as I enjoyed recording it and that it inspires you to not only drink cider, but perhaps try your hand at making cider. And if not that, at least have a deeper appreciation of the inventors before our time who worked hard at building the perfect cider press. All the photos mentioned can be found via the shownotes for episode 86 on ciderchat.com

Cheers!

Ask for the following 7 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville.

1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
3. Oliver's Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.

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Attorney Lindsey Zahn specializes in wine law, but there is no denying her interest in cider and the laws governing it commerce…and yes these there is a difference between wine and cider!

Her wine blog On Reserve has been selected as on of the top 100 wine law blogs by the American Bar Association Journal.

Lindsey A. Zahn

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In this chat we discuss:

• The differences between wine and cider.
• Gray areas of cider law
• What comes first the licensing, permitting or trademark of your new cidery?
• Branding
• Promotion
• Certification of Label Approval (COLA)
• Advertising
• Social media and how they are subject to government regulation
• 27 CFR part 4 which is the Labeling and advertising of wine from The Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau (TTB)
• Tide House and how it affects regulations on alcohol
• And, what can Cidermakers do in regards to labeling vintage on their cider?

Contact info for Attorney Lindsey A Zahn and On Reserve Wine Blog

• Website: https://www.zahnlawpc.com/
• eMail: mailto:[email protected]
• On Reserve wine blog https://www.winelawonreserve.com/

Mentions in this Cider Chat

• Lindsey's February 2017 post on TTB Issues Temporary Rule Modifying Federal Regulations for Hard Cider
• 045: John Cline Ph.D. & Derek Plotkowski | Pomology Cider Research, Canada
• "Shelton Brothers Santa's Butt and challenging labeling censorship" 2025 update the Shelton Brothers are no longer in business
• Winners of the Giveaway for 2 tickets to Cider Circus August 26, 2017 at Copper Mountain Ski Resort in Colorado where announced on this chat. Go to minute 1:05:55

Charles McGonegal has been teaches a workshop on Sensory Analysis for cider judges, makers, enthusiasts and at both CiderCon (the United States Association o Cider Makers annual conference) and GLINTCAP (Great Lakes International Cider and Perry Competition.

Charles calls this workshop The Element of Cider.

It provides a vocabulary check or what he considers the basics of cider from the sensory and the chemical perspectives.

He had 10 flights at the Chicago CiderCon - where he changed just one thing in each glass of cider. He is asking people to define the taste of the cider.

Enjoy this chat and if you like this chat and I expect you will!

Listen to the previous episode #83 with Charles as he discusses both his cidery, AEppelTreow in Wisconsin and making perry!

Contact AEppelTreow

website: http://aeppeltreow.com/

telephone: (262) 878-5345

email: [email protected]

address:

1072 288th Ave

Burlington, WI 53105

Mentions in this Chat

• Cider Chat episode 081 Stephanie & Aaron Carson | Gypsy Circus Cider Co, Tennessee

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Ask for the following 7 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville.

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2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
3. Oliver's Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.

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Charles McGonegal is full time cider geek who also happens to have a day job as a petro chemist. He and his wife Melissa founded AEppelTreow Winery in Wisconsin in 2001. Why AEppelTreow? Charles says, "I wanted a name that was a little pretentious and not French"

Charles has a particular fondness for Perry and has what he calls "the country's (US) only Poire collection (meaning perry pear trees)."

He spent years getting permission from the a USDA to plant imported perry pears. "I have what are suppose to be the top three Breton and top three Norman perry pears in a test orchard."

In this chat we find out more about AEppelTreow (pronounce Apple True) and get a bushel of tips on making perry.

The main chat with Charles begins at 7:48 minutes.

The specific chat on Perry begins at 38:20 minutes, with a mini intro by the Talking Pomes. A transcript of this section of the chat on perry making will be transcribed and posted to the Cider Chat Patreon page. Become a patron today and help keep this chat thriving.

"Perry is its own thing. It is mostly like making cider. There are a couple of quirks."

On storaging of perry during its fermentation and conditioning

• have a good seal - Charles recommended even using electrical tap
• never let it (the airlock) dry out
• CO2 blanket it or use Aragon (because it settles more than CO2)
• know the Ph of the perry and make the right adjustments

Smell every morning during the primary fermentation - when it begins to smell eggy add a 1/4 dose of fermaid or diammonium phosphate (DAP)

Add a 1/4 at a time - helping to clear us the H2S in time

Contact AEppelTreow

website: http://aeppeltreow.com/

telephone: (262) 878-5345

email: [email protected]

address:

1072 288th Ave

Burlington, WI 53105

Mentions in this Chat

• Brighton Woods Orchard
• Shelton Brothers impoters
• Cider Chat episode 026 Neil Worley on Keeving
• Cider Chat episode 081 Stephanie & Aaron Carson | Gypsy Circus Cider Co, Tennessee

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Ask for the following 7 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville.

1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
3. Oliver's Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.

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Kurant Cider is back on Cider Chat discussing the opening of a Tasting Room in the area of Philidelphia called Fishtown. Cider will be available to go in can and growlers at the 436 E. Girard Ave location.

The production facility will remain in Perkasie, PA

Kurant Cider is co owned by Joe Getz and Michael Meyers.

Joe is the head cidermaker at Kurant and the Vice President of the Pennsylvania Cider Guild, the commonwealth's organizing body for cider producers and apple growers in PA.

In this chat, Joe tells us about lessons learned over the past two years in regards to what is a cidery startup needs to pay attention to, news on the PA Guild work on having cider recognized as a "zone commodity" and where to find Kurant Cider this summer.

Kurant has moved around a bit finding a home from one brewery to another.

Kurant sources local juice and is able to make cider year-round.

Kurant Ciders, currently being offered on draft at many great bars in Philadelphia

• Daily 5.5%
• Earth 5.5%
• Bees 5.5%
• Tropic 5.5%
• Farm 5.5%
• Cafe' 3.5%
• Spice 5.5%

Kurant Cider Logo

Contact Kurant Cider by going to http://www.kurantcider.com/contact/

Follow Kurant via:

• Twitter: @KurantCider
• Instagram: @KurantCider
• Facebook: /kurantcider

Looking for Pennsylvania Cider?

• Look at the Pennsylvania Cider Guild website

PA Craft Cider Fest

• June 24th
• 12-4pm

Pour the Core

• October 21
• 12-4pm

Mentions in this Chat

• Enter the Giveaway for 2 tickets to Cider Circus August 26, 2017 at Copper Mountain Ski Resort in Colorado http://cidercircus.com/ Enter by subscribing to eCiderNews and be automatically entered or become a Patron of Cider Chat and be entered automatically to all Cider Chat contests and giveaways.
• Featured music in this episode by the Screaming J's from Asheville, North Carolina. Song title is Don't Pull Out from the Got Boogie album

Ask for the following 7 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville.

1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 and his update on episode 82
2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
3. Oliver's Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.

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Gypsy Circus Cider Company founders and makers, Stephanie & Aaron Carson, are helping to put cider on the map in Tennessee. They have two facilities with one dedicated to barrel aging ciders and the main production site which is also the location for their Gypsy Circus Taproom.

The cidery opened for business in April of 2016 and has produced over 16 ciders each with whimsical names that connect to the backdrop of their gypsy lifestyle (the couple like to travel) and to the circus life.

Names like;

Whilring Deverish - a coffee cider make with Nashville based Frothy Monkey coffee took home a gold from GLINTCAP in 2017

Shadow Puppet - a barrel aged wild cider garnered a silver medal at GLINTCAP

The Carson's pay attention to detail not only with their ciders, but also their branding. Take a look at a can of their dry cider Raindancer and listen to Aaron talk about the hidden graphics that they put on the label.

Part of the couple's success is that they are keenly aware of how the beverage market works. Aaron Carson is the author of East Tennessee Beer, the executive director for Superfly Fabulous Events, founder of Tri-Cities Craft Beer Week and Tennessee Championship of Beers. Aaron co-founded the Brewly Noted Beer Trail and started the Tri-Cities Pro Brewers Guild.

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Contact Gypsy Circus Cider Company

Website: http://gypsycircuscider.com/home/

The OutCider Taproom (behind the building)

2645 Fort Henry Drive

Kingsport, TN 37664

Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/GypsyCircusCider/

Twitter: @GypsyCircusTN

Instagram : https://www.instagram.com/gypsycircuscider

Mentions in this chat

• http://bellafinachocolates.com/

• http://englishfarmsteadcheese.com/
• 40th Annual Unicoi Apple Festival this year October 6 & 7, 2017- http://unicoicounty.org/apple-festival/

Ask for the following 7 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville.

1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
3. Oliver's Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.

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Tin Hat cidermaker Teddy Weber is stewarding a 25 year old orchard in Waitsfield Vermont. This musician by trade got his taste for cider in the UK during his music gigs while there. He teamed up with Sue and Gib Geiger who own the orchard that Teddy has been stewarding and where this chat takes place.

In this chat, Teddy and I walkabout in the orchard in Waitsfield and discuss the beginnings of Tin Hat, apple varieties, working with culinary apples for cider and culinary pears, cultured yeast vs wild yeast. His enthusiasm for apples is contagious.

Apples in this Chat

• Northwestern Greening
• Kerr Crabapple
• Atlas
• Barry Red
• Honey Gold
• Scott Winter
• Golden Russet
• Dolgo Crab
• Lodi
• Yellow Transparent
• Red Astrican
• Duchess of Oldenberg
• Northern Spy

Pears

• Nava
• Luscious

Cidermaking techniques used

• cyro-extraction - getting the juice directly from a frozen apple
• cyroconcentration - the apple is pressed and then you freeze the juice

Tin Hat Ciders (currently)

Ole Pome

Traditional still cider, unfiltered, wild fermented, dry. 0% Residual Sugar. Aged in old neutral french oak barrels. Spontaneous malolactic fermentation in summer 2016.

Fipenny Bit

Effervescent, dry heritage cider from old heirloom apples. bottle conditioned. wild and cultured yeasts, blended from barrel and tank. Partial pétulant natural.

Farmhouse

Effervescent dry cider. bottle conditioned. Wild and cultured yeasts, secondary fermentation in bottle on champagne yeast.

Contact for Tin Hat

Cidermaker: Teddy Weber

Website: http://www.tinhatcider.com/

Telephone: 802-485-3993

Address:

PO Box 103

Roxbury, Vermont 05669

email: [email protected]

Mentions in this Chat

Win a pair of Tickets to Cider Circus August 25th & 26th

• Entery by subscribing to eCiderNews and be automatically entered for the June 30th Giveaway for 2 tickets to Cider Circus August 25th & 26th 2017 at Copper Mountain Ski Resort in Colorado http://cidercircus.com/

Episode 028: John Bunker | Apple Identification

Eden Specialty Ciders in Vermont makers of fine ice cider

Ask for the following 7 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville.

1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
3. Oliver's Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.

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