Cider Chat

Tandem Ciders is the result of two hearts coming together in one spot of Ciderville (the east coast) and finding their way to Michigan. In the late 1990's Dan Young who was the co-owner and brewer at The People's Pint in Greenfield was full on with the craft beer scene. It was at The Pint where he met his future wife Nikki Rothwell while she was working towards her Ph.D. at the University of Massachusetts. With Nikki's roots in Michigan(she now works at Michigan State University's Extension specializing in Agriculture and Fruits) a trip to the UK during the courtship and the abundance of Michigan apples it was only a matter of time before Dan set his sights on cider.

Tandem Ciders buys most of their juice for their cider making locally, but they also press apples using an Oesco rack and cloth press.

Ciders:

• Smackintosh
• Early Day
• The Crabster
• Pretty Penny
• Cherry Oh
• Ida Gold
• Pomona

Handcrafted Sodas

• Ginger Ale - I've had Dan's Ginger Ale that he made when at The Pint and it was fantastic!
• Sparkling Apple

Dan is a newly elected Board Member of the United States Association of Cider Makers

Contact: Tandem Ciders

2055 N. Setterbo Road

Suttons Bay, MI 49682

Tasting Room Hours Monday – Saturday: Noon until 6 p.m. Sunday: Noon until 5 p.m.

Closed Tuesday & Wednesday from January through May. Telephone: 231.271.0050

email: [email protected]

Website: http://www.tandemciders.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Tandem-Ciders-291896271061/

de Gulderling cidery in Netherlands http://www.degulderling.nl/

http://elegastdistillery.com/

instagram: https://www.instagram.com/elegastdistillery/

https://www.mrplume.lv/

http://jksfarmhouseciders.com/ciders/

Ask for the following 7 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville.

1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
3. Oliver's Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56
7. Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.

Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving!

Find this episode with photos and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts.

Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts.

Follow on twitter @ciderchat

The Mayador cider brand came about from a lot hard work and ingenuity. Manuel Busto Amandi born in 1906 founded his cider business originally as M.Busto in 1939. Between that time and 1966, Manuel's ingenuity kept the business growing. He had a number of innovation that were ground breaking for the cider industry.

From the Mayador History Book:

- He was the first to engrave the brand (M. BUSTO - 1959, certified by the Patent and Trademark Office in June 1946) on his cider bottles, produced in the old glass factory in Gijón. He was forty years ahead of a measure that would eventually become compulsory in the sector.

-He also promoted using 10-bottle boxes, while all other presses preferred the customary 12-bottle box; and he was a pioneer in trading cider vinegar in Spain, which up to then had only been of

domestic use.

-He was also the first to produce sterile apple juice in 1971.

But that is not all: he invented a machine to pour cider and registered it on December 4, 1964, under Patent No. 280.757.

In the early sixties the climate for cider was waning with new trendy drinks taking the stage, so he began to marketed Sparkling Cider. In 1966, his nephew Raúl García Busto, launched El Mayador as the new label.

Cider Vocabulary:

Mayar - crushing apples

Mayar season - time for crushing apples

Mayador - the person who crushes apples with a long wooden paddle

Today Mayador exports to 65 countries around the world, including the US, Japan, the UK and South America. In the US, Mayador is imported by Wine Seller LTD.

Contact Mayador

website: http://mayador.com/en/

http://mayadorapp.com/en/

More info on Mayador

La Sidra, the magazine :

http://www.lasidra.as/en/11262-mayador-got-gold-medal-in-the-international-cider-awards

The main news paper in Asturias

http://www.lne.es/centro/2017/04/07/mayador-recibe-mayor-reconocimiento-mundial/2086163.html

Ask for the following 6 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville.

1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
3. Oliver's Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56

Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving!

Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts.

Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts.

Follow on twitter @ciderchat

The US cider market share in 2017 is growing. This episode on Cider Trends in the US and abroad is a replay of a webinar from April 5, 2017 presented by Danny Brager and Matthew Crompton of the Nielsen Company. The webinar was originally aired by the United States Association of Cider Makers (USACM) for their members. The USACM and Nielsen graciously provided Cider Chat with the main recording so that this critical cider trend data could be shared even more broadly.

Danny is the Senior Vice=President, Beverage Alcohol Practice. Matthew is the Associate Client Director at Nielsen. Together they speak during this 53 minute presentation in conjunction with a visual aide that I recommend you download the pdf file below as it follows along seamlessly with the presentation and provides excellent visuals of Danny and Matthews overview.

Click on photo to view the slides the data charts and visual aides that are referred to throughout this presentation.

What is covered in the podcast episode?

• What does Nielsen do?
• How is Beverage Alcohol performing?
• How is Cider performing in the market?
• What is driving the growth of Cider?
• Who is the Cider Consumer and what are they saying?
• How is Cider performing elsewhere?

Help Nielsen and the USACM get more data on Cider Trends

1. Provide UPC/label information around the following.

Nielsen information is used and referenced widely in the industry - not just suppliers, but also by retailers, distributors, media (trade and consumer), industry associations, investment firms, etc. Nielsen wants to ensure that their reported data is accurate, and complete, inclusive of all Cider products in their reporting when it passes a store scanner.

How to help?

If you are selling through retail, you can help Nielsen tell YOUR brands and the HARD CIDER story by ensuring that they have your products coded on their data base.

STEP 1: Nielsen first needs your UPC list so they can check to see whether they already have them coded. If they do, then no further action is required.

STEP 2: If not, Nielsen will get back to you, and for those products not already coded on their databases.

They need: your products' labels, usually accomplished by simply having you send digital copies of them (clear PDF images of the back and front labels on the bottle and/or can, as well as package flat (e.g. 4 pack, 6 pack, 12 packs, etc).

Everything you send is confidential, and not shared with anyone other than Nielsen associates to ensure proper coding.

email to:

[email protected]

[email protected]

[email protected]

Ask for the following 6 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these ciders, you in turn help Ciderville.

1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
3. Oliver's Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56

Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving!

Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts.

Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts.

Follow on twitter @ciderchat

Lou and Sue Chadwick of Second Chance Farm in Greenfield Massachusetts are what I consider the "Apple Pied Pipers". For nearly as long as CiderDays (the oldest cider event in the US) has been running I have seen the Chadwicks touting the bounty of apple varieties. This means they have dozen of fresh picked apples on a long table, that they set up outside no less in early November and welcome everyone to stop by to take a look and try a taste of a Razor Russet, Baldwin or Arkansas Black. If you get a chance to attend CiderDays make sure you say hi to this lovely couple.

In this week's chat I recorded a walkabout with the Chadwick's at their Second Chance farm where for the past 12 years they have been nursing small apple varieties and grafting an assortment of rare cider apples ( at least rare right now in 2017 for the US).

Lou made a Rind Graft, a V Graft and an Omega Graft.

Take a look at the Cider Chat YouTube channel to see Lou in action.

See the photos of this chat via ciderchat.com post link here

The Chadwicks have been orchardists long before Second Chance Farm. Sue's grandfather has a farm with apple trees in Buckland Massachusetts that they still advise and help the current owners.

Before the walk in the orchard I delve into the winemaking technique known as Bâtonnage.

Bâtonnage defined is simply stirring the lees periodically. This technique can be used in cidermaking and is done after the initial vigorous fermentation is complete.

The lees is brown slurry that settles to the bottom of carboy, stainless steel tanks or barrels. It is comprised of dead yeast cells and heavy particles that were initially floating in the solution.

There are two different types of lees

Gross Lees - the first drop of heavy precipitants that float to the bottom.

Fine Lees - the slurry that can form on the bottom of your carboy after the first racking.

If you leave the lees on the bottom of your cidermaking vessels there is a risk of the lees consuming all the oxygen and causing hydrogen sulfide to form as the cider goes through the process of reduction. (Yes, lees consumes oxygen). The result can leave an off smell such as rotten eggs.

Contact info for Second Chance Farm

[email protected]

Ask for the following 6 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville.

1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
3. Oliver's Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56

Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving!

Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts.

Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts.

Follow on twitter @ciderchat

Alan Shapiro wasn't looking to get involved in cider, being a craft beer enthusiast, one sip at the right time changed his mind and he isn't looking back. He is founder of the widely popular Cider Summits that takes place currently in 4 major US cities (with a 5th city expected to come on board soon). His roots in libations began taking stock while working as one of the first sales representative for Pete's Brewing Company ( does Pete's Wicked Ale sound familar?) which helped him cultivate a relationship with Mark Browner, whom he credits with planting the seed for today's Cider Summits.

In 2003 he founded SBS Imports and secured the rights to import Aspall Cyder of Suffolk, England . He says after a visit to this legendary cidery in Suffolk, "I had what I call a 'Wow Moment' when I realized that cider has more to offer than what I had expected.

In 2012 Artisanal Imports of Austin acquired SBS Imports. The first Summit had already taken place two years earlier in 2010. From the start that first Summit was a hit. Alan says he scrambled to get 40 cider products and wasn't sure what to exactly to expect for crowd size, but when nearly 500 people showed up, it was an obvious success. Since, the locations where this cider festival takes place has expanded to locations in Portland, Chicago and San Francisco.

This chat covers the beginnings of Alan's journey to founding Cider Summit, what to expect at the Summit and his take on the current cider market.

What to expect at a Cider Summit

• Souvenair glass for 4 ounce pours
• Tasting Tokens
• Usually 100-150 ciders available from 50 cider companies more or less
• There is a guide that is published a few days before

How to attend a Cider Summit? Have a strategy

• Download the Summit guide that is published a few days before the event.
• Each festival has a local/regional focus.
• Go for local ciders. Or specific styles, such as Asturias ciders or French, fruit ciders, hopped ciders.
• Additional tokens are available for $2/token
• There is also a VIP ticket too, where attendees can have conversations with the cidermakers attending.
• There is a bottle to go shop at all the Summits except for Chicago.

Cider Summits locations and dates for 2017

All Summits are outdoors events, except for Chicago's

Chicago Saturday February 11th at the Navy Pier

San Francisco Saturday April 22nd at the Presidio

Portland Friday & Saturday, June 16-17 at Fields Neighborhood Park

Seattle Friday & Saturday, Sept 8-9 at South Lake Union Discovery Center Lawn

Contact for Alan Shapiro and Cider Summit

email: C[email protected]

Twitter: @cidersummit

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/cidersummit/?ref=br_rs

Mentions in this chat

De Vergeten Appel a Netherlands cidery in Tilburg

Neilsen webinar recording Cider Trends in the US and abroad and download the pdf file that goes along with this recording here

Use code LyftCiderChat for Up to $50 off your first ride with the Lyft rideshare program. Find the details on this code offering and how to use via this link

Ask for the following 6 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville.

1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen o Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
3. Oliver's Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56

Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving!

Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts.

Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts.

Follow on twitter @ciderchat

Nicole and Rafe Ward of Forgotten Ciders are celebrating 3 years of cidermaking this April of 2017. This Michigan cidery has over 1000 variety of apples growing on 16 acres, many of which are cider varieties and red fleshed to boot!

Rafe's Grandfather Douglas Eastman and Uncle John Eastman started planting apples trees 30 years ago to what would one day become Eastman Antique Apples. Eight years ago Rafe, his parents and brother bought the apple orchard. After getting involved in the family's orchard, Rafe Ward began making cider in their basement and then realized that the fruit could be transformed in to liquid gold.

Rafe says, "It was a happy day when I realized I own an orchard and I could make alcohol out of them apples."

Nicole mentions, "It was good fortune that the family didn't pull up the apple trees thinking that because they didn't taste good they weren't worth growing."

Forgotten Ciders are made out of a 100% fresh pressed apple juice. Aside from adding yeast, there is no back sweetening or sugar added up front. The brilliant shades of red that are visible in their bottles of Mad Russian, Hot N Cider and others is derived straight from the apple varieties that they are using.

Ah Ha Moments for the Wards

1. Licensing

2. Making the cider - but they "Let the apples do the work"

Cidery Overview

• 16 acres with over 1000 varieties
• They pick the apples themselves with some help
• Use stainless steel tanks and ICBs (plastic containers)
• Press using an 18 inch rack and cloth press.
• They press throughout the season, with the season going through mid November.

Ciders Mentioned in this chat all in 750 ml bottles except for the Hopped Cider

1.Mad Russian - 6.9% early season cider Flagship cider

Deep cranberry color, using red flesh apples

Giant Russian Crab apples

Taste, aggressively dry and tart up front and then mellows and sweetens as you drink it.

2. Private Stash - 6.9% has over 150 varieties blended to make this cider.

3. Hot N Cider 6.9% made with a base cider and local peppers. A very smooth easy drinking cider, with just the right amount of hot to make your palate ask for more cider. Pairs perfectly with cheese plate.

4. Rusty Red made with Russet apples that Nicole describes having a skin much akin to potato or pear as opposed to being shiny and glossy like a Red Delicious apple. They blend their Russets with some of their "Red Flesh" apples.

5. Hopped Cider - 6.9% base cider with dry hops. Well balanced citrus notes of the hops with a very tasty cider base.

Find Forgotten Ciders

Visit the Forgotten Ciders Tasting Room opening this year on April 29th!

Usually only open only on Saturdays from 2-7 once the season begins

Look to the website for special events open from summer to November.

Farmer's Markets

• Midlands Area Farmers Market May through October on Wednesdays from 2-7 pm
• Downtown Saginaw Farmer's Market on Mondays from 1-6 pm

Getting to Forgotten Ciders

• 2 hour drive from Detroit
• 4.5 hour drive from Chicago

Mini Tips mentioned for ciders in this chat

Tips for Planting an orchard

• Place same varieties together
• Plant is succession to ripening dates

Tips for making Labels

• 99 Design
• Shutterstock

Contact Forgotten Ciders and Eastman Antique Apples

Owners: Nicole and Rafe Ward

Address: 1068 W Midland-Gratiot County Line Rd, Wheeler, MI 48662

Phone: (989) 842-5576

email: [email protected]

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/EastmansForgottenCiders/

Ask for the following 6 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville.

1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
3. Oliver's Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56

Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving!

Find this episode with photos and all episodes at the Cider Chat's podcasts page.

Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts.

Follow on twitter @ciderchat

Having read extensively the books of the day he is, suffice to say, a self taught technical yeast expert. "You realize you have to get some type of competency in science…basic formulas, concepts, ideas and just get use to it [the language of science]."

but…"You can be really good with science and the numbers and still make average wine."

In 2011, Shea began focusing on cider. "You need tools to do the job."

He began with trials with yeast, oaks, tannins.

Around 7-8 years ago (2010) after stepping away from a winery startup, Shea was looking for a job. It was during this time, that friends began calling him a "Yeast Whisper". The name stuck and it was then that he began working with Lallemand, a manufacturer of yeast.

"If you want to get competent on this and learn more and go deeper about this you have to have an understanding of the science."

Find the full show notes for Episode 073 at CiderChat.com

Direct Link at: https://ciderchat.com/podcast/073-shea-comfort-the-yeast-whisper/

Listen to wherever you get your podcasts and don't forget to subscribe so you never miss what's coming next in Ciderville.

Prefer to watch? Find Cider Chat on YouTube for more cider stories, orchard adventures, and global cider culture.

💛 Enjoy cider? Help keep #ciderGoingUP - by supporting Cider Chat. Your support helps keep the podcast on the air and makes it possible to share more conversations like this one.

Lost Apples of the Quabbin is a presentation by Al Sax and Matt Kaminsky documenting their 2016 research and quest for mapping out the apple trees in this historical reservoir region.

The Quabbin Reservoir was created to supply water to eastern Massachusetts. This construction required moving out the residents and unincorporating 4 towns Dana, Prescott, Enfiled, and Greenwich. Needless to say, this was an extreme hardship for the residents as people, homes and the entire landscape was changed to create the massive reservoir.

How big is the Quabbin Reservoir?

• unlike what I said in the podcast (10,000 acres) it is 120,000 acres

Al and Matt are looking for unknown apple varieties that might still be left on the hillsides and mountain tops that were left untouched so many years later.

Al and Matt's main research tools"

• Binoculars
• Tick gators, as ticks carry an auto immune ideas call Lyme
• An apple picker, which is a long pole with a cup at the end used to reach for fruit high up on the tree.

List of Apples that were grown at the Quabbin

• Alexander
• Baldwin*
• Bellflower
• Bethel
• Ben Davis
• Blue Parmain
• Canada Red
• Duchess
• Fall Pippin
• Golden Russet*
• Gravenstein*
• Grimes Golden
• Jonathan*
• McIntosh*
• Northern Spy*
• Porter
• Pound Sweet
• Red Astrachan
• Rhode Island Greening
• St. Lawernce
• Seek-No-Further (Westfield S-N-F?)
• Sheep-Nose*
• Smoke House
• Snow Apple
• Spitzenburg*
• Strawberry
• Summer Rambo
• Tetofsky
• Twenty-ounce
• Tolman Sweet
• Tompkins King
• Wagner
• Wealthy*
• Winesap*
• Winter Banana
• Wolf River*
• Yellow Transparent
• York Imperial

Identifying apple trees in the wild

• What is its form?
• Leaf pattern
• Leaf color
• Trunk ( do you see a graft line)

Identifying apples in the wild

• Color of skin
• Taste
• Refractometer for testing the level of sugar in the juice

- check out Matt's Book via his website https://gnarlypippins.com/2016/11/16/what-is-gnarly-pippins/

Contact info for our Apple Explorers Al Sax and Matt Kaminsky

Al Sax

Matt Kaminsky

Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving!

Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts.

Follow on twitter @ciderchat

Jeppe Gents opened Fejø Cider in 1999. He calls himself a "cider farmer" having founded his cidery on an island 200 kilometers south of Copenhagen. You can take a 15-minute ride on a ferry to the island and visit this celebrated cidery.

Fejø is an orchard based cidery with 18 hectares or approximately 44 acres of bitter, bittersweet, culinary apples. With nearly 20 years of cidermaking knowledge Fejø cidery is established well enough that it is now Jeppe's full time work.

The cidery has won numerous awards and is currently exporting 60% of its products to such markets as Sweden, Germany, and now the US via the Shelton Brothers Importers.

The first two pallets of cider were shipped to the Shelton Brothers in November 2016. They were ordered for Claus Meyer, the Danish gastro-entrepreneur. Meyer opened the Agern restaurant plus The Great Northern Food Hall in New York Grand Central Terminal. The Agern restaurant has got its first Michelin star now only one year after its opening, and the Food Hall has 3500 daily customers.

Currently, Fejø Cider is producing 30,000 bottles of cider per year. Only cider apples grown at the orchard are used. Jeppe uses only the natural yeast and does not chaptalize his ciders. Expect a bottle conditioned cider with soft delicate bubbles that waft up from the bottom of the glass with a rich apple aroma.

The apples are collected by hand, stored for two weeks and they use a blend of

• 30% bitter
• 30% bittersweet
• 30% sweet
• 10% acid

He attributes the low nutrient juice from his apples to providing a slow fermentation and offering the sweet profile of his ciders.

Interested in an Apprenticeship at Fejø Cider?

Contact Jeppe below as he takes apprentices from the 1st of September to the 1 of December every year.

Contact info for Fejø Cider

Address: Nivå Stationsvej 5, DK-2990 NivåPlantager & Produktion:Slettervej 44, DK-4944 Fejø

email: info@Fejøecider.dk

Telephone: +45 6167 5622

Website: http://Fejøecider.dk/

Ask for the following 6 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville.

1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
3. Oliver's Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56

Go to this page to see the ciderchat.com show notes page with photos

Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving!

Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts.

Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts.

Follow on twitter @ciderchat

Mattie Beason's passion for cider led him to open Black Twig Cider House in 2016. This new cider bar is located in Durham, North Carolina right across the street from Duke University.

A good location is a key factor as you need the foot traffic to help build the draw that you need to be successful. Mattie should know, as he had just finished presenting Why you should open a cider bar and not a cidery at CiderCon 2017 in Chicago.

In this chat we discuss the offerings at Black Twig Cider House, a txotx (pronounced "Chotch") which is a pour of Sidra from a barrel and some fine tips for anyone considering opening their own cider bar.

From Spanish ciders to all cider traditions - Mattie found it was the right choice to open a cider bar and not cidery.

Black Twig is 2400 square feet and has seating for up 90 people. Make sure to look at the event page on their website as there are lots of ongoing educational and fun events taking place every month. Or consider reserving this venue for your own special party as there is nothing more fun than enjoying some Sidra poured directly from the barrel.

What to expect at Black Twig?

6 taps for cider, 3 taps for beer, along with a grand selection of bottles from France, Spain, and Britain.

What is one of the biggest considerations in running a cider bar?

"Not alienating potential cider drinkers."

or as Mattie says, "Don't fail your market. If some people prefer a sweet cider from concentrate, have one on hand.

If I can't get you there, and that is what you want to be drinking?

Then I have failed you."

As such even a mini chat with Mattie not only leave you feeling successful, but ready to try your next cider or two.

Contact for Black Twig Cider House and Mattie Beason

Address:

2812 Erwin Rd, Suite 104

Durham, North Carolina

Telephone: (919) 321-0203

Website: http://www.blacktwigciderhouse.com/

Twitter: @BlackTwigDurham

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/blacktwigciderhouse/

Follow Mattie Beason on Twitter @mattiebeason

Go to this page to see the ciderchat.com show notes page with photos

_____________________

Mentions in this chat

Featured Artist: Emma Ayres

Song: Riverside

Find out about Emma's music via the links below

https://emmajunemusic.bandcamp.com/

https://www.facebook.com/emmajuneband

John Bunker episode 16 and John Bunker Apple Identification episode 28

Ask for the following 6 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville.

1. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14
2. Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35
3. Oliver's Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29
4. Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60
5. The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California
6. Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56

Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving!

Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts.

Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts.

Follow on twitter @ciderchat