Moments after Suella Braverman departs as Home Secretary, Jane and Fi chat about the jeopardy of live radio.

They're joined by human rights barrister Adam Wagner to talk about his new book Emergency State: How We Lost Our Freedoms In the Pandemic and Why It Matters.

And Skip Innes tells Jane and Fi about the benefits of cold water swimming for this week's instalment of Wellness Wednesday.

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