Wellness is a trillion-dollar industry full of scams and snake oil salesmen but comedians and best friends Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak just can’t get enough. Join them as they try products and practices, consult healers and experts, and ask the ultimate question: is it truly wellness they’re after or just the thrill of the chase?

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The celebrated children’s book author Amy Krouse Rosenthal passed away from ovarian cancer on March 13, 2017, just 10 days after her essay looking for a new love for her husband Jason was published in the Modern Love section of the New York Times. Amy wanted to give Jason the chance to love again, to keep living life to its fullest after she was gone.

This episode focuses on the 26 wonderful years Jason and Amy were together, how they faced her mortality, and how Jason learned to grieve Amy and rebuild his life after she was gone. We also got to talk about Jason's wonderful new book, My Wife Said You Might Want to Marry Me.

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In March of 2017 Andrew and Edward Senn received a call from a social worker that they were chosen to foster a set of premature nine day old twins who had been born with drugs in their system. The couple had been hoping to enter a long-term private adoption but they knew right away that these babies needed them. Becoming parents and going through the very slow roller coaster of the foster system, getting the family they always wanted in a very unconventional way has changed Andrew and Edward in ways they never could have imagined.

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Shaun King has been advocating for justice as an outspoken Black Lives Matter activist since 2014. He’s incredibly outspoken about his work on Twitter. He’s beloved by some people and hated by others. Amidst it all he’s raising five children with his high school sweetheart Rai. And even though Rai steadfastly supports Shaun she never exactly chose to be married to the movement.

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Francis Cretarola and Cathy Lee opened their restaurant Le Virtu on Philadelphia's Passyunk Avenue right before the economy collapsed in 2008. This restaurant, one that serves Abruzzese Italian food is Francis and Cathy's passion. They survived 2008 and together they have created community and family for their staff and their patrons. But then the pandemic happened. And Cathy and Francis have had to hunker down and make some incredibly difficult decisions, decisions Francis says are way above his pay grade, to try to keep their staff and their patrons safe while keeping their restaurant afloat. Running a restaurant is like walking a tightrope. Margins are thin and the stress is high, but Cathy and Francis have powered through the pandemic with grace, compassion and humor. I love this story because it's here in my hometown of Philly and it shows just how hard we're all working together to get through this tough year.

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Skyler knew he was gay when he met Amanda. But he loved her and he wanted to start a family with her. Both of them are members of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. They believe that marriage is so much bigger than just the two of them and this life on Earth. And through countless difficult discussion they’ve found a way to build a marriage not in spite of Skyler’s sexuality, but in addition to it. They’ve started to try to build a family and both of them say that Skyler being gay isn’t the hardest thing they’ve faced in their marriage. The loss of their baby Milo at 24 weeks was much more difficult for them to get through and out of necessity they became even closer as a couple.

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Codie and Tommy Oliver met, got engaged, got married and created a blockbuster television show together in the time that most couples start leaving a toothbrush at one another’s apartments. Their show, Black Love, is about to start it’s fourth season on OWN. It is a beautiful docu series that shatters stereotypes and showcases incredible love stories. Creating something from scratch is never easy, but it’s even more challenging when you’re doing it with your partner.

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Bestselling author Caitlin Moran has been married to her husband Pete for 25 years. When Caitlin first book, How to Be a Woman, turned into a global phenomenon, Pete stepped back from his successful career as a journalist to pick up the slack at home and take care of their two daughters. Caitlin credits Pete with helping her career thrive, for not being her glass ceiling. This episode is a beautiful portrait of the middle of a marriage, of how we sustain love over the decades, of how we support one another, of how sometimes we schedule sex in a calendar invite and why that is completely OK.

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Committed is back for season five on October 14th!

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Sit in on the intimate sessions of renowned therapists and national advice columnists Lori Gottlieb and Guy Winch as they guide fellow travelers through the everyday and extraordinary challenges of life.

Each week, Lori and Guy invite you to be a fly-on-the-wall and listen to their personal, raw, transformative sessions, where they share behind-the-scenes insights, offer actionable advice, and bring people back to find out what worked (or didn’t)–and what we can all learn about ourselves through the lens of others.

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