We tend to think of high-performance athletes as superhuman—a rare species with extraordinary strength and a preternatural ability to suffer.

But if you ask today’s guest what distinguishes the elite athlete and everyone else, she’ll say nothing.

For her, the secret to high-level performance isn’t about cutting edge training plans, coaches, or carefully honed nutrition.

For her, it’s instead found in seeking out and celebrating the pain cave, that deep place of physical discomfort most go to great lengths to avoid.

Meet Courtney Dauwalter, the world’s best female ultrarunner—and when it comes to races 200 miles and longer—arguably the best period.

A humble mater of grit and boundary-busting physical prowess, Courtney is universally loved and admired for her winning smile, mental fortitude and intuitive training style (she doesn’t even have a coach).

In addition to being named one of the 50 Fittest Athletes in the World by Sports Illustrated and a two-time Ultrarunner of the Year, among her countless accomplishments, Courtney:

Not bad for an athlete who didn’t even begin her professional running career until she was 32 years old.

The thing about Courtney is that she lives in the moment. She’s a doer. She doesn’t overthink things. She trains on feel, eats what she wants, and does it all with joy and a laudable degree of humility and perspective. But behind it all is a very intentional human—an athlete of unparalleled mental fortitude with the drive required to test the very limits of human capability.

Today we get into all of it.

Courtney shares the mindset techniques and tactics that have propelled her superhuman accomplishments.

She shares her perspective on career longevity. Her evolution as an athlete. How she approaches unlocking unprecedented performance. And the purpose that lives beneath it all.

But if you extract anything from this conversation, may it be the importance of having fun. Why taking things lightly is strength and not a weakness.

When you reframe pain as a destination rather than an obstacle, truly anything is possible.

To read more click here. You can also watch our exchange on YouTube. And as always, the podcast streams wild and free on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

An athlete I’ve admired for many years, I aspire to Courtney’s unique blend of grit and joy. Yes, she is a badass. But she’s also a good sport. A better human. And an absolutely delightful hang.

Enjoy!

Peace + Plants,

Rich

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