Eric Chessen is the founder of Autism Fitness. He's an exercise physiologist with an extensive background in applied behavior analysis. And Eric has been working with the ASTM population of all ages for nearly 20 years. Eric is on a mission to help kids with Autism he has extensive work with individuals with developmental disabilities with a specific focus on young individuals (4-21) with an autism spectrum disorder. Particular emphasis on program and curriculum instruction and implementation of adaptive fitness programs as well as staff training. Innovative problem-solving techniques. Strong abilities in group settings.

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Ari [00:07:10] Well, very, very cool. I mean, you know, it's it's an unusual thing to choose to work with a population that a lot of people are kind of scared of. They think you are. Oh, yeah. The autism population is too delicate, maybe or fragile to work with. So I want to just for for everybody, like give me a story of an experience that you've been able to produce in one of your clients and just kind of like the love that they've been able to give back. Based on what you've been able to do for them. So any kind of kind of story about an experience, you know, that you've had. 

Eric [00:10:17] And it didn't mean he was performing the exercises perfectly and that and that everything was great. It just meant, you know, he was on task enough that he could learn and that he could he could progress so that for for myself and me as a coach and a practitioner, that that was a major victory. And, you know, for his family as well to to earn that trust and to understand that this is something really important in his life, to have me work with him for four, 12 years as well until I relocated and then to, you know, to have him work with another coach after that, who I trained. But on on a larger scale and looking from the perspective of what we're doing with autism, fitness, what I wasn't doing, I wasn't going in there and waving my magic wand and saying, well, now you're having fun and now you like exercise. What I was doing was taking that the concepts and principles and strategies that at the time I was I was learning and just starting to develop into a system and be able to integrate that and have a successful outcome, which is the same thing now in teaching the certification course and in educating other people and consulting. Having other people have those results is the real merit test for for validating that the curriculum itself. Because if it's just me doing it and it's just the Eric Chessen super autism fitness magic show, that's fine for the athletes that I work with. But what do we do on a larger scale? But if it's if we can replicate it and there are other coaches and practitioners who can use the work for their athletes, then then we are doing something that that really is world changing. 

Eric [00:14:38] What I mean by that is I think it's shifted and shifted for the better in terms of a lot more programming's being a lot more programing, being focused on quality of life now, which is good, especially for a program like mine, because we're dealing with quality of life in terms of physical health as well. So the conversation has shifted and I think the focus now is is a little better. What I think that one of the biggest issues is the difference between knowing something and doing something about it. You know, if if we asked a room of 200 people, how many of you think is physical activity is important for the best quality of life. Now, one hundred and ninety nine hands go up and no one not because they just want to argue. Right. Which is fine. But it's actually enacting those processes and those strategies, and that's the thing about what we do with autism fitness also is that I didn't have to invent anything in terms of the exercises. You know, we're using presses and squats and crawling patterns and hurdle steps and medicine ball throws. I don't have to invent anything. And I don't necessary hurdle or obstacle was not. We don't know what exercises are good. It's how do you implement these for this population? 

Ari [00:16:05] You know, it sounds like like there's a lot of cognitive benefit that may be a side benefit to the physical movement, especially if you're doing things like cross crawling, activating both sides of the brain with the movement, activating balance, that there's going to be a cognitive shift as well in in those that population. It sounds to me like you're having quite an effect on cognition as well as just knowing motor response. Or can you know Kinney's. 

Eric [00:19:28] Number one is prioritize. Someone can give as much lip service as they want to fitness or anything else. But if it's not made a priority, then, you know, when is it going to happen? So, again, it's you know, I can have 100 hands raised in a room. How many people think it's important? Right. But how many people are actually doing it? And you're going to see dwindling numbers of hands there. Number two is consistency. We in our program, we win with consistency, and that's across the board with consistency with the exercises can just consistency with the teaching methodology, consistency with the coaching and cueing and the language that we use. And three is you can only work with what you're observing. So we have a saying in our program. We have many things in our optimum fitness program. It's no what you're looking at, which which means from all three areas, physical, adaptive and cognitive. So know what you're looking at with respect to the movement pattern. Know what you're looking at in terms of level of motivation and what we need to do to support behavior and know what you're looking at in terms of the individual's ability to understand and act on the directions that we're giving them. 

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Ari&EricChessen1.mp3

Ari [00:00:00] Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results. We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians, Paralympians, A-list actors and Fortune 1000 companies. If I did not get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who controlled the system want to keep the status quo. If I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are. Join me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as a chat with industry experts. Elite athletes thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. 

Ari [00:00:50] I'm Ari Gronich and this is. Create a new tomorrow podcast. 

Ari [00:01:01] Hey, everybody, this is Ari Gronich with the Create a New Tomorrow podcast. We're here with a good friend, Eric, who is an autism fitness expert. 

Ari [00:01:13] That is a really unusual thing for somebody to be an autism fitness expert. So I'm going to kind of give you a little bit about Eric Chessen. He is the founder of Autism Fitness. He's an exercise physiologist with an extensive background in applied behavior analysis. And Eric has been working with the ASTM population of all ages for nearly 20 years. So, Eric, what are you kind of give us a little bit of background as to who you are and why you chose this particular niche, which is your niche to choose. 

Eric [00:01:50] Thanks. All right. Sure. So I started out as many in the industry who went on to work with niche populations as a personal, young, very green personal trainer working with general population. And at the same time, I was doing graduate studies in behavior analysis. And in one of those, I believe it was a principles of human behavior class. I had a classmate who was the director of a program for teens on the autism spectrum in New York City. And she said, hey, I know your personal trainer. You're in this behavioral science class. Would you be interested in developing some fitness programs for our curriculum? We've never had a dedicated fitness program. We've tried some sports activities. It hasn't really gelled, hasn't really worked out. So over the course of our discussion, I decided to apply to become part of part of this small research program. And they liked what I had to say. I started working with the individuals in the program. And one thing that was really important about my early experience was that I was not working with individuals who would be considered high functioning or highly motivated or very on task. And it set the foundation for everything that I would develop later, which was you have to have a system that accounts for nearly any any possibility. So as I continued developing my my craft or my skill set in this program, an opportunity came along. I had a behavior analyst who contacted me. I forget how it must have been based on something that I wrote. And she said, I usually do early intervention, you know, three and four year olds. I just took on two new cases, these two twelve year old boys. I have no idea what to do with them. Do you think you could help out? So I said, yeah. I think I can. So those became my my first two athletes outside of the program that I was working at. And at the time, I found when I started performing any type of research and I put that in quotes of best practices for integrating fitness programs for the autism population. I found very little. What I found was vague and general. At best it was fitness programs are important for all populations, special needs, populations included, which not much to take action on there. So what I realized was there was this large gap in in practices or disciplines. So you have the the world of fitness and physical activity, strength and conditioning and and movement. And it's not. It's not visible to the autism world, meaning families and other practitioners, behavior therapists, speech pathologist, etc.. 

Eric [00:05:00] So I thought, well, I don't I don't I can't profess to say that I ever actually had this specific thought. But it occurred to me over time that there was something to having an interdisciplinary background where I can speak. When I talk about autism, fitness now, we can speak many different languages so we can talk about fitness with respect to how we can improve movement quality and strengthen stability. But we can also talk about behavioral challenges and how we can integrate positive behavior support, how how we can increase fluency of speech, how we can integrate speech targets. So we speak to all of these different professionals and caretakers, including parents, family members who are involved with or caring for or or serving the autism population. And we look at fitness as a gateway and a foundation for both short and long term optimal development. So from so I've been running programs for, I guess I guess around 15 years at that time. And then I met David Blumen, who is my business manager, and we launched our autism fitness certification level one in May 2017. And now worldwide, we have over how many is over 400? Thirty, I believe, autism, fitness certified pros. And we're just looking to create our mission is called the Movement for Movement. So the idea and the goal is to have fitness programs and adapted P.E. programs accessible to the whole of the autism population, regardless, again, of age or or ability level. So that's where we're at now. And then back in in early March, in fact, March 1st. My my wife and I relocated from New York, which was my home for over thirty nine years, to Charlotte, North Carolina, where I'm speaking to you from now. 

Ari [00:07:10] Well, very, very cool. I mean, you know, it's it's an unusual thing to choose to work with a population that a lot of people are kind of scared of. They think you are. Oh, yeah. The autism population is too delicate, maybe or fragile to work with. So I want to just for for everybody, like give me a story of an experience that you've been able to produce in one of your clients and just kind of like the love that they've been able to give back. Based on what you've been able to do for them. So any kind of kind of story about an experience, you know, that you've had. 

Eric [00:07:54] Sure. Well, one of my one of those two boys who I mentioned, who I was working with originally back in the first or second year that I started my business, our first few sessions wound up on the floor with me protecting him from banging his head into a hard tile kitchen floor. And so that was that was definitely the most shocking, one of the more challenging situations that you can be in, particularly with this population, because we're looking right there. We're looking at a one hundred percent. This is a safety intervention right now. And I had I had worked with him, you know, from from that point for 12 years after that also. And to have him eventually develop to the point where he began mastering some of the most challenging exercises that we have in our autism fitness curriculum is doing Schoop throws with a medicine ball. So learning hinge mechanics, his squat pattern is getting better also. And it's not just about the the exercises or the physical benefit or the development of the physical skills. It's definitely about that, because that's what we're that's where it worked to achieve. But going from a place where were we have to be very considerate of severe self injurious behavior to a point where an athlete is largely motivated to participate. Definitely shows that something good is happening and that something has changed. And the biggest success for me now out of that, the biggest success was the fact that Fidelity, after several sessions and some and a few interventions, and it's not to say that it was always 100 percent unicorns and rainbows in our session. But to go to that point, which was a real concern to a point where I would go over and you would understand the expectation and we would go through all the exercises that we needed to go through and everything was cool. 

Eric [00:10:17] And it didn't mean he was performing the exercises perfectly and that and that everything was great. It just meant, you know, he was on task enough that he could learn and that he could he could progress so that for for myself and me as a coach and a practitioner, that that was a major victory. And, you know, for his family as well to to earn that trust and to understand that this is something really important in his life, to have me work with him for four, 12 years as well until I relocated and then to, you know, to have him work with another coach after that, who I trained. But on on a larger scale and looking from the perspective of what we're doing with autism, fitness, what I wasn't doing, I wasn't going in there and waving my magic wand and saying, well, now you're having fun and now you like exercise. What I was doing was taking that the concepts and principles and strategies that at the time I was I was learning and just starting to develop into a system and be able to integrate that and have a successful outcome, which is the same thing now in teaching the certification course and in educating other people and consulting. Having other people have those results is the real merit test for for validating that the curriculum itself. Because if it's just me doing it and it's just the Eric Chessen super autism fitness magic show, that's fine for the athletes that I work with. But what do we do on a larger scale? But if it's if we can replicate it and there are other coaches and practitioners who can use the work for their athletes, then then we are doing something that that really is world changing. 

Ari [00:12:04] Absolutely. So it sounds like you're creating a movement which is part of. What create a new tomorrow is about, meets with people and their passions. You have over 400 people that you've trained in this system who are now getting the opportunity to have an effect on thousands and thousands and thousands of a population that were previously unserved, as you know. I'd like to pick fights, so I'm going to pick a fight with the system itself. What have you seen as one of the largest obstacles inside of the system as it is and the training of the system, both in fitness and in all the other forms of medical care that you're you're looking for other practitioners? Like if you had a behavior in a speech therapist and, you could refer to regular basis that are as qualified as you are in what you do for that population. What would what would you consider to be the biggest obstacle in that system? 

Eric [00:13:14] I think having a largely reactive model and we can talk about this in terms of certainly the Western medical system, and I think it's gotten it's gotten a lot better with preventative care. In my experience and of course, this is only my experience when I first started out the buy in for or the interest in fitness for this population. Was not there. Not very high. I don't think people had an understanding of what fitness really is and what physical act, the benefit, the benefits of physical activity. And there's is a conversation I've had numerous times with colleagues, the fact that programing for the autism population at two decades ago, definitely even even a decade ago, was largely focused in the the academic and also in the very. I suppose we could say almost vocational. So it was all you know, it was all skill development. It was all this kind of rote, if not rote, rote memory, but just read a lot of repetition with no real, I think, overarching goal as far as a fully developed human being. 

Eric [00:14:38] What I mean by that is I think it's shifted and shifted for the better in terms of a lot more programming's being a lot more programing, being focused on quality of life now, which is good, especially for a program like mine, because we're dealing with quality of life in terms of physical health as well. So the conversation has shifted and I think the focus now is is a little better. What I think that one of the biggest issues is the difference between knowing something and doing something about it. You know, if if we asked a room of 200 people, how many of you think is physical activity is important for the best quality of life. Now, one hundred and ninety nine hands go up and no one not because they just want to argue. Right. Which is fine. But it's actually enacting those processes and those strategies, and that's the thing about what we do with autism fitness also is that I didn't have to invent anything in terms of the exercises. You know, we're using presses and squats and crawling patterns and hurdle steps and medicine ball throws. I don't have to invent anything. And I don't necessary hurdle or obstacle was not. We don't know what exercises are good. It's how do you implement these for this population? 

Ari [00:16:05] You know, it sounds like like there's a lot of cognitive benefit that may be a side benefit to the physical movement, especially if you're doing things like cross crawling, activating both sides of the brain with the movement, activating balance, that there's going to be a cognitive shift as well in in those that population. It sounds to me like you're having quite an effect on cognition as well as just knowing motor response. Or can you know Kinney's. 

Eric [00:16:40] I'm I'm certain that we do in some respects. The tricky part is not overestimating or over qualifying something that that's happening. So I only speak to what the observable universe that we have in front of us because I don't know what that's going to look like for each athlete. And I talk about this in our Level one certification with respect to when we break everything down. The system that I created is called the PAC profile. So it's physical, adaptive and cognitive. And from a cognitive perspective, we can see an increase in cognitive functioning during the fitness session. We have to be really careful in discussing what we're talking about because it's not as though we're saying, OK, well, we're doing 10 medicine ball throws and then three cone touches and then they're going to raise their IQ, you know, four points. But what we're looking at is the individual's ability to start making some some associations and contingencies between a direction. So I say, OK, go do a 20 rope swings and they go over and they pick up the ropes because they know they they are able to match my language, in the words unamusing with the recall of what they're supposed to be doing. So the cognitive effect, though, I'm sure it there's some there's a beneficial outcome there. What I can't start going into is whether it's specific or whether it's general. Because, again, when you're dealing with individual, I don't know what that's gonna look like for every individual, especially when we're talking about our our non-verbal population. But there is there's I think there's enough good research in the neurotypical population demonstrating that exercise does have a positive effect on certain areas of neurological functioning, that we could take that information and say, you know what? It's probably true for the autism and other developmental disabilities as well. 

Ari [00:18:47] Absolutely. So we're we're going to wrap this up a little bit. I ask everybody on the show to give some actionable steps that people can take today. And, you know, in this case, we'll talk to the parents, the trainers, the therapists, the people who deal specifically in this population or to what is what are three actionable steps that they can do if they're passionate about working with or supporting this population. What can they do to be of of more support workers? 

Eric [00:19:28] Number one is prioritize. Someone can give as much lip service as they want to fitness or anything else. But if it's not made a priority, then, you know, when is it going to happen? So, again, it's you know, I can have 100 hands raised in a room. How many people think it's important? Right. But how many people are actually doing it? And you're going to see dwindling numbers of hands there. Number two is consistency. We in our program, we win with consistency, and that's across the board with consistency with the exercises can just consistency with the teaching methodology, consistency with the coaching and cueing and the language that we use. And three is you can only work with what you're observing. So we have a saying in our program. We have many things in our optimum fitness program. It's no what you're looking at, which which means from all three areas, physical, adaptive and cognitive. So know what you're looking at with respect to the movement pattern. Know what you're looking at in terms of level of motivation and what we need to do to support behavior and know what you're looking at in terms of the individual's ability to understand and act on the directions that we're giving them. 

Ari [00:20:37] Awesome. Thank you so much. What? Where can people get a hold of you? What are some of the ways that somebody who's listening to this can connect with you? 

Eric [00:20:46] Our main Web site is autismfitness.com. And across the board, Instagram, YouTube and Facebook. It's the autism fitness. And I do a lot of I have started on them again. I do a lot of live chats where I answer people's questions. We put a lot I have we have a lot of videos on our YouTube channel that not only demonstrate the exercises, but some of the insight as to why we're doing something or what we're looking for. And for those who want to dove in and become autism fitness certified level one, pros on autism, fitness dot com. You can look at the certification page. You can download our course syllabus. Our next course begins. I believe so. Timber 20th. 

Ari [00:21:38] Cool. Sounds good. 

Ari [00:21:41] I really hope that people will come and check you out just as an added benefit to those that if you specialize in any fitness or medical training. Your average income goes up by approximately 60 percent. So for anybody who's on the fence, who's thinking, I'd like to do a general fit as I like to just do the general work. You can actually earn approximately 60 percent more for doing the same work and you'll have the reward of working with a population of people that you can really, truly have a massive effect on. And so that to me is a great benefit. Thank you so much, Eric, for coming on the show. Thank you. I am going to sign off now. This is Ari Gronich. And this was another episode of Create a New Tomorrow. I look forward to hearing from you and seeing you next time. Thank you. 

Ari [00:22:46] Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. 

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Ari [00:03:20] And that can be said about infrastructure, can be said about any of any of these things, right? What am I? My friends that I will be speaking to, his name is AJ Ali. And we're gonna be talking a lot about the systems of health care and how it affects black people more than majority black Latino at-risk populations and groups. He's written a book called Walking while Black Love is the Answer. That love is the answer part stands for and I don't remember exactly. But I'll give you kind of the synopsis or learn about your neighbors. Learn about the people. You're different then. 

Khadevis [00:06:49] And he's just people find it and he's going like, what's that kid like? He that would be a breeze. I'm going, no, bring this thing to him. Boy Scouts. I'll be all right. And he can be proud. He just to understand, like, this doesn't make sense. That's kind of how it is. It's like some some groups and people in the business. They don't want things to be utopian or better and good for why. Who knows? So when we talk about the health care system, we talk about all this different stuff. 

Ari [00:10:09] House everybody? And it probably wouldn't even affect our lifestyle that much. In fact, it probably would make our lifestyle a little bit better. Now, the philosophy is I don't like change. That's the philosophy of some people. I don't like change. I want stagnation. I want to be where we are. Progress is bad. You know, you've heard this progressive's gotta have a bad rap. Progress. How could progress be bad if he can't? If you're not growing, you're dying. Right. So how can progress ever be bad? It's only a thing. It's progress. It's a movement of time. 

Ari [00:11:51] It's time for you to let go, right? That's kind of what we're saying. And we're saying that in a very general way, because most of those people don't exist anymore. Just the beneficiaries of that system, but not the creators of it. So since we made this shit up and we can make it up better, what are some of the. 

Khadevis [00:13:12] These are smart people who are going to vote to not get a raise. When you if you don't vote or you almost have to get a salary, he's what are you going to vote to get there? Great. That's common sense. What a post. What? Whatever may deal with the real world of really issues. They've got an option to vote. They've got a choice to vote to get more money. You're telling me you'd think anyone vote not to. And you're mad because they voted for themselves to get more money.

Khadevis [00:19:32] And I think that's where we're were at that total point now. You can see it is just a matter of if individuals going to still have this level of energy and enthusiasm. Once the pandemics? over. Everything's back to normal. 

Ari [00:19:46] Yeah. Well, I'm hoping that that it'll it'll just get more than just it'll itchin them so much more. You know, it's funny, we had this whole thing a couple months ago, right? This blackness, protests and these things. What do you hear about that stuff nowadays? Not very much, because the explosion dies down fast. But when you stoke a fire and you keep it slow burning and have that fire last forever. And that's kind of that's the analogy that I'm using. I don't want to have that big blast of explosive energy because of a reaction to something. 

Ari [00:20:33] I want to have a premeditated slow burn that creates a lifelong of change. And I think that you do, too. Yeah. And this come at that that you like to be a part of and you're you're reading and running program is awesome. What other charity? You went to Zimbabwe on a specific date

Khadevis [00:24:40] Miracle worthy thing. So did it. Like what? God, how did KD do that? You know. How did he do. What the he he won the lottery. How I played the lottery that's why. You know, now that's an that's an exaggerated example. But my point is, you know. You see. Oh. How was he? You know, I actually sent over a message on LinkedIn. You know, he was like, well, why am I. Well, you know what? I'm just right. And if it works out, then, you know. So most people never make the game winning shot because they never take the game. When you say, how do you go make it if you don't take it? So now go out. Connect with people. Try these things that you might feel that if you don't. If you don't. If you don't know. Succeed. And so at least you try it. But you got to do it. This is not just a quote. This is not like. 

Khadevis [00:29:27] And I learned quickly that they're doing those same times. There's other environments in which if a young lady told a young man the exact same thing. It really meant they weren't. Does she want to go back and watch a movie at one o'clock in the morning? Some people like my welcome. Well, we can't watch the movie tomorrow. Well, watch. We've been dancing, you know, making whatever way. So. So now you're getting those situations. She's you know, one person is taking you on watch a movie, I think. OK. She won't be the. Whatever. 

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Ari&Khadevis3.mp3

Ari [00:00:02] Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results? We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians, Paralympians, A-list actors and Fortune 1000 companies. If I don't get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who controlled the system want to keep the status quo. If I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are. Join me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as I chat with industry experts. Elite athletes, thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. 

Ari [00:00:51] I'm Ari Gronich and this is. Create a new tomorrow podcast. 

Ari [00:01:03] Welcome back to part three of this interview, if you missed part one or part two. Head back to those previous episodes before you listen to this one. Now, we'll dove right into the conversation from the moment we left off. Thanks again and welcome back. 

Ari [00:01:19] Yeah, you know, it's interesting because I'm a I'm a realist. I see the world as it is, but I'm also an ideological utopian society. You know, I know where I see the world going as well. And what's possible for the world if we step out of our own ways and stop trying to make, you know, like I here make America great again, or it matter if it's whatever it is. Right. Is it the time when we had famine? Is it the dark ages when we had suppression? Is it that, you know, it doesn't matter what is better then that we can't make better in the future. Right. Than it was. Nothing has ever been optimal. Forget it's wise. So we only can make things as optimal as we can see the possible to be. And I'm really big. I don't like doing podcasts where I'm asking you fluffy snow. Yes. You know, relaxed questions that you know the answers to. I want to challenge you to really explore yourself on the on this this media with me. I want to make sure that the guests and the listeners have an experience that is outside of their comfort zone. In some cases, because I'd like to you know, I say pick fights. It's not really pick fights. I like to challenge the status quo. I like to join the systems. We don't have a very good health care system. It kind of sucks and it's the best it's ever been. And it's still kind of sucks in the results that it gets. We don't have a very good political system. Our system is extremely flawed and it's probably the best it's ever been. 

Ari [00:03:16] For what it's been. Right. So. 

Ari [00:03:20] And that can be said about infrastructure, can be said about any of any of these things, right? What am I? My friends that I will be speaking to, his name is AJ Ali. And we're gonna be talking a lot about the systems of health care and how it affects black people more than majority black Latino at-risk populations and groups. He's written a book called Walking while Black Love is the Answer. That love is the answer part stands for and I don't remember exactly. But I'll give you kind of the synopsis or learn about your neighbors. Learn about the people. You're different then. 

Ari [00:04:06] Right. The O is. 

Ari [00:04:12] I don't remember what the O is, the V is volunteer to be part of the solution. Right. And so I was just going to go the L and the V because that's what I remember at the moment. I'll remember the rest as soon as we're off the recording. But you get the point is learn about your neighbors. Well, what would that do for us? What would it do if we started to volunteer to help the people in our community rather than tell them that they're wrong and bad? What would it do for our community relations if we were to shift and change? I know he's a guy who he's owned to professional soccer teams. Played soccer for the Air Force. And was one of the first black reporters in golf. He was told, get out of the sport because he's not wanted there. And then he's walking in his own neighborhood in Baltimore and he's getting followed and guns pulled on him by police for walking in the right and the wrong neighborhood in his neighborhood. 

Ari [00:05:19] And so, you know, this is something like I look at it and I go, OK. So this is what is this is reality. We've got it. So now that we know what reality is, what are the steps that we can take? To change reality to a more optimal. Reality. 

Ari [00:05:43] And that's kind of what he's done with his book. So what would what would your answer to this be? And it doesn't matter. It's not necessarily that particular situation, just life in general or society in general. But if you were to go about the process of taking somebody through what is loving reality. 

Ari [00:06:06] And how do we want reality to be? What would that look like to you. 

Khadevis [00:06:11] I think you. The only thing we can do is we have to live that reality out the best way we can. 

Khadevis [00:06:19] The challenge is there are people who don't want that. 

Khadevis [00:06:25] So what I mean by that is, is that old movie called Mr. Smith Goes to Washington is a great movie. Oh, that's good. It is so good about a politician that goes and becomes like a senator or representative. What I mean. He has this idea that help Boy Scouts is such that you would think everybody would be like you like who don't want to help Boy Scout kids. Yeah. And he brings it up to get vote. 

Khadevis [00:06:49] And he's just people find it and he's going like, what's that kid like? He that would be a breeze. I'm going, no, bring this thing to him. Boy Scouts. I'll be all right. And he can be proud. He just to understand, like, this doesn't make sense. That's kind of how it is. It's like some some groups and people in the business. They don't want things to be utopian or better and good for why. Who knows? So when we talk about the health care system, we talk about all this different stuff. 

Khadevis [00:07:17] It's really simple. It's really our fault. And when you say, well, hold on, it's been a little it's been a little tough. 

Khadevis [00:07:23] Well, here's a question. If we really wanted to. In the U.S., it's just usually us. Could we make it? No. Not one person in us dies of starvation or malnutrition. Yeah, I mean, there's enough food in the U.S. to feed everybody. Like, this is this is this is a fact. This is an absolute fact. Could we make it that even like everyone has shelter, meaning like even if they like a house or somewhere, some form show that is no homeless on the street. Could we make. Yes. It's enough property stuff that it could be done. We put out we're intuitive. We we are industrious enough. We have this out of that to make it happen. So why isn't it happen if someone gives Apple someone was to say, we're going to we're going to everyone. We have to pay to send two pennies more of taxes. And that way, we ensure there's absolutely no homeless in the world, people that go against it. And you know, like we know that to say. And some of the people that would go against it will be people that. They still rich, you will be like, what? What do you watch what? So that's what it is. It's unfortunate. It sucks. So some of these things that haven't changed. Let's be honest. Let's be real. Let's be real. You know, somewhat because people don't want some. Some of the powers that be don't want to chase. You know, that's not a political bias. Just just being. And we allow some of this stuff. 

Ari [00:08:58] Being real. 

Ari [00:08:59] My question is and this goes to what you're saying. So I have I have this philosophy. Right. Silence is a bully's best friend. And my feeling about that is that the people who would benefit the most typically are silenced. By the people who have an agenda or the bullies and the people who. 

Ari [00:09:31] Want to change? Feel like they don't have a voice? 

Khadevis [00:09:37] Yeah. 

Ari [00:09:37] Right. 

Ari [00:09:39] And none of what people feel necessarily is accurate in reality is if we got loud. 

Ari [00:09:51] And. 

Ari [00:09:52] Created a wisdom with that loudness. So meaning we put the learning, we put that into action. 

[00:10:01] Created wisdom with the learning. We could basically feed everybody we could. 

Ari [00:10:09] House everybody? And it probably wouldn't even affect our lifestyle that much. In fact, it probably would make our lifestyle a little bit better. Now, the philosophy is I don't like change. That's the philosophy of some people. I don't like change. I want stagnation. I want to be where we are. Progress is bad. You know, you've heard this progressive's gotta have a bad rap. Progress. How could progress be bad if he can't? If you're not growing, you're dying. Right. So how can progress ever be bad? It's only a thing. It's progress. It's a movement of time. 

Ari [00:10:51] And so here's the thing. And I talk about this in the book. I talk about about it on this podcast is. 

Ari [00:11:00] If we've made this shit up. Can we not make it up better? 

Ari [00:11:08] We created the society the way it is. The people who are the architects of the society really are powerful now and they really like it because they built it. It's their baby. But how many times has somebodies baby? Gotten married and the parent did not like that. The baby was married now. Right. OK. So we're just telling those powers that be. Your baby is getting married. Moving on. Going to grow and make her own family and build her own structures and systems. 

Ari [00:11:51] It's time for you to let go, right? That's kind of what we're saying. And we're saying that in a very general way, because most of those people don't exist anymore. Just the beneficiaries of that system, but not the creators of it. So since we made this shit up and we can make it up better, what are some of the. 

Ari [00:12:12] Philosophies we can move into that are more optimal and effective. 

Khadevis [00:12:21] I mean want to. 

Ari [00:12:22] I'm sorry,. 

Khadevis [00:12:23] My honest answer is probably one no one is going to like. 

Khadevis [00:12:31] OK. You said you said in a gentle way, right? 

Khadevis [00:12:36] The individuals you're talking about, the groups you talk about. They don't respond to gentle. I'm just being real. We try, you know, trying to be gentle is not, you know, unfortunately, I hate to say it. 

Khadevis [00:12:52] I hate, you know, I wish it wasn't this way, but it's the reality that's not gonna. That's not the way it's going to work if there's going to be change. You know, I see it every week. 

Khadevis [00:13:01] I complain about those senators or whatever, whatever, complain about them, voted for themselves to get a pay increase, salary increase. 

Khadevis [00:13:12] These are smart people who are going to vote to not get a raise. When you if you don't vote or you almost have to get a salary, he's what are you going to vote to get there? Great. That's common sense. What a post. What? Whatever may deal with the real world of really issues. They've got an option to vote. They've got a choice to vote to get more money. You're telling me you'd think anyone vote not to. And you're mad because they voted for themselves to get more money. 

Khadevis [00:13:37] Are A group that's investigating themselves. One issue they find themselves innocent. 

Khadevis [00:13:46] I mean, let's just be honest. I'm just trying to be on so what I'm saying is. 

Khadevis [00:13:51] What I'm saying is that, as your question, the only way it will be changed is that we have to be forced. And I don't want to hear. And I agree. Maybe I'm telling. Let me ask you a question. 

Khadevis [00:14:02] When you think about in the world history, the world world. Who do you think are the five most? 

[00:14:09] Loving, friendly, uniting, positive people. If you don't mind, in the world, the five most like ever. Like they bring people together. 

Ari [00:14:20] Like ever. 

Khadevis [00:14:21] Yeah. 

Ari [00:14:22] OK. So I would probably go with Confucius, Buddha, Gandhi, Mother Theresa and Jesus, frankly. 

Khadevis [00:14:32] OK. 

Ari [00:14:33] Jesus. 

Khadevis [00:14:34] All right. So. What happened to hey, Jesus? Jesus. 

Ari [00:14:42] Well, you know, Romans just got pissed off,. 

Khadevis [00:14:48] He got killed right. Right. Right. 

Ari [00:14:50] Yeah. 

Khadevis [00:14:52] What happened to Gandhi. 

Ari [00:14:53] Gandhi. I don't know what happened to Gandhi. Look that up. 

Khadevis [00:14:59] What about Mother Teresa? 

Ari [00:15:01] She died a very happy woman. 

Khadevis [00:15:05] So when you start talking about. The Martin Luther King. You started talking about some of the people. JFK, you start talking about some of the people that tried to make some of the biggiest in past. Evil, evil. See? Did they play a different game? 

Khadevis [00:15:29] They don't go out loud. So. So there are a lot of good people that try to do good things. And then I realized I have a job. You see my realize man, as he was putting my family in danger. 

Khadevis [00:15:45] So that's why I say in order for somebody stop that really great change, you don't have to be forced. I always say that way. 

Ari [00:15:52] I totally I totally get you. Here's here's my only caveat to that. And it's something that that a business friend of mine taught me once. And also, frankly, Buckminster Fuller, who is one of my my mentors. I don't read anything from Bucky. But he said don't go after the system as it is or within the system as it is. Just build something better. Right. Next store. The people will come. Yeah. Yeah. And that's paraphrased. But that's kind of the philosophy that I have is. OK. So who do we know in any given field that's dissatisfied with how that field is choosing to get sub optimal results? And you know, for me, it's the medical field mostly, which includes infrastructure and government because infrastructure is extremely important to health care. But let's just let's just say it's doctors. More and more doctors are stopping to work with insurance companies. They see that it's kind of a losing proposition if they want to actually make their clients and patients healthy. 

Ari [00:17:07] Yeah, they're going away from that. More towards a functional medicine. Integrative approach would surance companies don't pay for the AMA doesn't like at all. 

Ari [00:17:18] In fact, they investigate those people. So here's my thing. One or two people, one hundred people doing this are susceptible to the killing, to the death, to the being attacked. And we've seen that happen in the industry. But a thousand. Ten thousand. 

Ari [00:17:40] However, many of us there are getting loud. Not being quiet. Not allowing the insurance companies to do the rule that they have to have the over site that they have. And just getting loud. We have this great platform of YouTube and podcasts go on. 

Ari [00:18:02] And you're starting to hear people now just whispering pieces, a few people loud. But those people are now considered considered conspiracy. Right. But what happens when it's ten thousand? 

Ari [00:18:16] No longer are you the conspiracy theories. You are the new movement. And that's what I want to create. I want the revolution to be televised. And I want it to be a little more gentle than what we've had to see in the past, because we haven't had the media of YouTube's and podcasting and so on that can get words out in a much more gentle way. 

Ari [00:18:42] We had to do massive marches and protests. But we have the ability now. To do it differently. 

Ari [00:18:52] And what I'd like to see is people like you, people like me, people that have the the knowledge and the wisdom and are have been playing it in our small little caves. 

Ari [00:19:07] Become. Come out of those caves and be loud and really blast to the world that there is a possibility that something else than what is could be way, way, way better. 

Ari [00:19:22] And we're just about to roll it out. You know, slowly but surely so that we can live in this better world. 

Khadevis [00:19:32] And I think that's where we're were at that total point now. You can see it is just a matter of if individuals going to still have this level of energy and enthusiasm. Once the pandemics? over. Everything's back to normal. 

Ari [00:19:46] Yeah. Well, I'm hoping that that it'll it'll just get more than just it'll itchin them so much more. You know, it's funny, we had this whole thing a couple months ago, right? This blackness, protests and these things. What do you hear about that stuff nowadays? Not very much, because the explosion dies down fast. But when you stoke a fire and you keep it slow burning and have that fire last forever. And that's kind of that's the analogy that I'm using. I don't want to have that big blast of explosive energy because of a reaction to something. 

Ari [00:20:33] I want to have a premeditated slow burn that creates a lifelong of change. And I think that you do, too. Yeah. And this come at that that you like to be a part of and you're you're reading and running program is awesome. What other charity? You went to Zimbabwe on a specific date. 

Khadevis [00:20:57] Was it up to the Zimbabwe trip was specifically with the U.S. State Department, the sports envoys, US sports envoy to the embassy in ah, in Zimbabwe. So I love doing that. I'm really trying to do more of those. I can't. I'm a university co-ordinator with athletes for a whole, at least for hope as an organization out of D.C. And I've helped them kind of implement the programs in English at LSU and also now at Ohio State. So those those two things I was with the each foundation, which which I was a thin philanthropic advisory, essentially. I went out and found no recognized nonprofit organizations that probably maybe needed some some donations and some grants and some moneys. And I would. Give them money and stuff like that. But anyway, so just, you know, just doing those things right now. You. I think the energy I'm a big vibration and energy person. I think the energy in the universe, even though we're going through this pandemic, I think it's an interesting time is a good time to pivot. And it's a good time to take risks because, I mean, right now you take a risk and it don't work. I mean, what people say, I was wish it didn't work, going a pandemic, right? You know, like everybody's kind of struggling right now. So it's like, why not? But the last thing you want to do is for me personally is to do what everybody else is doing and complain and mope and why. So what I tell people right now, the A's I'm the message I'm getting at is in a time of uncertainty, be certain in yourself, in a time of uncertainty. Be setting yourself a lot of uncertainty out there right now and you can't control them. And that you're doing what you can do is be certain in yourself. And if you can't have, you're not able to be certain yourself. And that's the way you need to reflect on why can't you be right? I would have. What have you been doing all this time? You can't be certain of yourself. What do you do when you wake up in the morning? Why you won't tick tock. I mean, why do you now say, like, come on, Bill, some certainty in yourself? So it's obvious. Certain you can be certain yourself. So that's why I'm at now. And like I said, I think I think you and I got to do this again. I got it. I've got to. 

Ari [00:22:59] Absolutely. Give us while we wrap this up. Three actionable steps for the audience that they can do tomorrow and implement in their lives to change the world. Create a new tomorrow on activate their vision. 

Khadevis [00:23:15] All right. So first one is get active rather than running with his logo. You have to get active. Our bodies, our bodies are all connected. 

Khadevis [00:23:25] It is mind, body and soul. It's all connected. So by moving one way or the other, it really does. It really does. Trance transfer energy. We have a certain amount of energy that we have. And by moving, we're able to get that energy more moving. We put it into any other project. So get active reading, write fast some that you're interested in and learn more about it. Like, you know, whatever, you know, whatever the subject matter may be, whatever industry you may be in. 

Khadevis [00:23:56] And, you know, just reading. If you don't. If you don't. If you don't draw your attention, throw it away and get another you know, just just find something to read because it might expand. It never goes back to its original form. So once you learn some, you're able to share that with others. And then the last thing is, you know, connect with people. I mean, we always say God perform miracles to people, you know. Right now, you would think, oh, no more miracles. I'm a guy I used to do this and that and all these miracles. And I'm like B.S. Gospel. Performing miracles is just the way that you perceive. You know, how how in the world. And this is why I tell people how in the world are you going to create a miracle when you're not doing miracle worthy things. So I'm always trying some stuff that I might not be able to do because I'm I'm trying. 

Khadevis [00:24:40] Miracle worthy thing. So did it. Like what? God, how did KD do that? You know. How did he do. What the he he won the lottery. How I played the lottery that's why. You know, now that's an that's an exaggerated example. But my point is, you know. You see. Oh. How was he? You know, I actually sent over a message on LinkedIn. You know, he was like, well, why am I. Well, you know what? I'm just right. And if it works out, then, you know. So most people never make the game winning shot because they never take the game. When you say, how do you go make it if you don't take it? So now go out. Connect with people. Try these things that you might feel that if you don't. If you don't. If you don't know. Succeed. And so at least you try it. But you got to do it. This is not just a quote. This is not like. 

Khadevis [00:25:31] OK, sounds good, is it? No. I mean, literally, if you're a young guy right now, you're single and it's just growing. It's hot. You see every day at the gym, you know, just go up to us. And you know what? I know every bite until you get. Which are beautiful. And I just want to let you know, I had to get that out. 

Khadevis [00:25:48] No disrespect and keep it moving. Hey, you know, she might say forget you. But that's the at least you. Yes. You've told her, you know. Oh, whatever. If you want to start a company, you want to run a marathon, you know, whatever that may be. Try. I mean, we can't do a freaking pandemic right now. But, you know, its the twilight zone. 

Ari [00:26:07] It's a very odd world. We're living in. 

Khadevis [00:26:09] The twilight zone. 

Khadevis [00:26:10] Kobe Bryant basin freakin helicopter crash accident. We have a pandemic. They shouldn't. And our last voice was no spoilers this year. You got unemployment. You got freakin fires going. Oh, here you go. This is this is what we call right now some crazy times. So what I'm saying is live. You touch the stuff. You bet. Well, think they wait for the next life. This is this is the time to me again. This is not a political favor. Well, do you really think I don't take this the wrong way? Is not. Look, Donald Trump is president. Again, that's not I'm not saying that to be good, bad, right or wrong. I'm just saying like. 

Ari [00:26:58] Had predicted that in the 80s. 

Khadevis [00:27:01] Yeah. But my point is, who would have revery, you know, Salai who would ever thought like that's just one example. I'm just saying there's a lot of those examples. Going on in the world right now, you're not I mean, New Zealand has a female president. 

Khadevis [00:27:18] Germany has. You know, I can jack into a million of those. So my point is a man like, don't give me this. Miracles will happen. I'll give you this. 

Khadevis [00:27:26] I mean, I get enough Jay Z married to Beyounce all right. 

Khadevis [00:27:33] Oh, if Jay Z can marry Beyounce we can do anything because I mean. Thanks. Somebody really get my point. I'm not joking. I'm being serious at the same time. But, you know, here is what it is. I ah, it's been great. Bobby, I academia's on everything. 

Ari [00:27:49] Yeah. So how can they get a hold of you and you know, with your charity, what, what could they do to be of support. 

Khadevis [00:27:56] You know, we do take donations because what I do is I go to Boys and Girls Clubs, I go the United Way, I go to different countries. Listen, Zimbobwey, when I go to those places and I provide information, we take for granted that. The information we have would like to say go to college, like a lot of a lot of people don't know that they don't have that information. You don't know how to do it fast, but they don't understand how to do to sign up for the incident, like clearing a house. So little small stuff. The information that we're able to provide for them to take the AC, AICTE and SHC, all of that out. A little smart how to how to get in contact with a coach on the Internet. So we provide my organization provides those types of things, diversity, equality and inclusion. I speak about that. But in a real man, what I mean by that is a lot of the issues that we see going on in the world is not always because people are just bad. It's because you spoke about this environment, croi, the environment I came from. If I went to a party and I was dancing with a girl and we were dancing, partying, they got to one o'clock. 

Khadevis [00:29:06] And she said, you know, let's go back. Let's go back to my place in. Watch a movie. 

Khadevis [00:29:14] It was one o'clock. We've been dancing, partying. You know me like. In that environment, I was there years ago that I was, you know, going to think something. Right. 

Ari [00:29:26] Right. 

Khadevis [00:29:27] And I learned quickly that they're doing those same times. There's other environments in which if a young lady told a young man the exact same thing. It really meant they weren't. Does she want to go back and watch a movie at one o'clock in the morning? Some people like my welcome. Well, we can't watch the movie tomorrow. Well, watch. We've been dancing, you know, making whatever way. So. So now you're getting those situations. She's you know, one person is taking you on watch a movie, I think. OK. She won't be the. Whatever. 

Khadevis [00:29:56] And then that is what I think is. These things are things that need to be talked about. When you say bad, what is it? 

Khadevis [00:30:07] What does it mean bad? Does it mean good? You say doll. Was it me bad? Why can't you say certain words? OK. We got right now that's a big issue. Why can't that one, his friend say is we're innocent and say that because I mean, honey is not a bad word. Hey, honey, you know what? I can't call my friend's wife, honey. And he if I call her. Do you get mad? Was like, honey, it's not a bad word. We ask here. People say, honey all the time. I'm a man of faith. I've heard you now calling each other honey. So why? Because context becomes important. And not only context, also relationship, the relationship you have with that person, even though the words my bad and even the women's. I know someone in the column told each other the B word Maton and they call a best friend conjoining. It never occurred to me. To be going to Europe and then they go, Wow. And then I said, well, I'll call each other to be right on time now because I understand. Context and see, these are things that need to be explained. And that's what I do, my reading life. I go to organizations and explain. Those things. And then in a real way, though, not a politically necessary, but in a real way. Oh, you know what? I get it now. Yeah, they do say that word and he wraps that word and sings it. And then they do it together, they say together. And yeah, maybe I would want to say it, but now I understand our relationship and such in which I can say the context, not the same. 

Ari [00:31:38] Right. Well, you know, I totally appreciate. All of the time that you've been able to spend. I know we went way, way over the normal. So I'm just going to wrap it up. If you guys want to get a hold of Khadevis. 

Ari [00:31:58] You can just go and find him on Twitter, Instagram, probably YouTube, but Khadevis Robinson at everything dot com. And thank you so much. And this has been another episode of Create a New Tomorrow with Ari Gronich. We look forward to having you join us next time. Thank you so much. 

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Episode Highlights

Khadevis [00:02:28] Sometimes I work all day. He said, I'm not out. Waiting outside. I got one wife. I don't got three or four wives. I'm not doing all this crazy. I don't use drugs. I rarely drink. I take care of my wife. I take my kid to go my house. I'm human, right. Some got a giggle. This cigar is my wimpy. You know, a lot of guys, a lot of girls before they go home at the word go by the bar to happy hour. Some people go to Vegas. Some people gamble. People do all sorts of stuff like I don't do those things. I take this garb and this is how relaxing. So for me, one of the things I do, you not only don't leave practicing, go to the board to happy hour. You know, again, I'm not a big gambler. I really don't drink at all those types of things. You know, my family. I mean, we are you know, I take care of that. I do this. So my thing is little soda. It can be worse. It could be. Give me a shot of him. I'm not doing it, though. You know, ice cream. It could be worse. Could be frightening. I ain't going it. So that's my thing. But to get back to your point on what I'm trying to do, the second half of my my life, you know, it's a movie called Hugo. It's a Muco Hugo in a movie, the boy talks about there's no extra ports in the world. And what that means is everything that's in the world, from our scan to the grass to the sky, to the oxygen, to the animals, to the water.

Khadevis [00:09:27] If you're that type of person. What I mean. So. Exactly. See if I'm ghitis example. So there some of us. When we're doing something. Once we go into trying to please or some someone else, the focus is not on the doing. But some outside factor, which makes it worse. Does that make sense? There's others who have that unique ability. So when they track, when they do doing somebody's trying to please someone, they can still focus on Maslach, do a good. So, for instance. You know, it's you know, a guy might know that this girl a life because he wins the race. Well, one guy, he might be like. Oh, girls here. And I like her. And she'd like to win a race. Go back and win other guys. Just let me let me out whenever there is a focus on the race and they get the girl. So that's some that individuals have to figure out who they are. Know thyself. And if you know you're one that focusing on the girls will make you nervous and not do well, then you need to put things. The strategies in tact, tactics and techniques get in place so that when you're there, you won't focus on that distracting distractions. So distracted mind is a defeated mind. 

Ari [00:10:40] All right. So how do you how do you translate that then to, say, business where you're trying to say you're a you're a I'm not going to say what culture this this family is from, but the parents are saying you've got to be a doctor or a lawyer, you know. Yeah. And so you become a doctor or a lawyer because you're being told constantly your whole life. But you're supposed to be a singer. Yes. You know, let's just say. 

Khadevis [00:13:19] And what was it? Stress? It was me starting to think I've got to do this and I've got work. And the key is that it is all this other stuff. Right. And I realized when I was in Zim, it wasn't just being in Zimbabwe. It was I was there speaking. I was happy. There was chaos. How do you ask? How do you go to college there? What do you do? Yes. And I was like. And people asked my running and going to get your master's degree and all this stuff. And I was just in there and it was just everything. But when I wasn't there, nothing about all these bills and I got to work on this time, I need to recruit these at least. And if they say no and Hommel pay dad and I need to get up this time it up. You know, that's not to say there's bad things. It's just to say that I recognize that some of the things I'm doing that I was doing. That's what I was him to do, because it comes natural, energized, and I'm excited about it. I mean, it's easy. Enemy is always great. Sometimes you get there. Sometimes things don't work out the way you want to put it, for the most part. I feel at home. 

Ari [00:19:42] And I kind of start bringing back the idea of master apprentice in turn. You know, because I feel like we've we've gotten to a place in society where we're all in school and we're kind of being told school, school, school, school. But the real learning happens when you're sitting next to somebody who's been there and done it for the last 20 or 30 years and is a master at what they do and can just take you by their, you know, collars, so to speak, and show you exactly what it is to do that particular job. And then maybe you find a different master to apprentice with and then a different one and you learn multiple modalities of mastery in that particular art. 

Ari [00:20:31] You know, you're a coach. 

Ari [00:20:35] But you've had many coaches, not just all right. 

Ari [00:20:39] And so you've been able to learn from those multiple coaches and kind of work with them as a master apprentice, almost. 

Khadevis [00:27:38] How did you do that. And now I can tell, you know a bit what I do. You two can do how. Right. Because it's a book called 40 Tales of the Afterlife. And it talks about what happens to us after we supposedly die. And what I'm saying is that when you die, you don't ask to die, Lee. You actually go to like a weight room and you stay there until the last person mentions your name or last breath and remembers you. So some people stayed there for like 20 years because maybe their grandkids were the last one to remember them. And then once they grandkid, daddy, they face others. They're a little longer. Maybe they you know, they own account if they had a statue in the college and the casket tore down. Others are there for a period of time because they labidi in a book nearby. He's reading the book, been around. So one of the ways we can live on is by helping others. I had him keep. Quote, Not you, not me. I keep it to me by doing my life's work. We live on when we got. 

Ari [00:28:43] Yeah. You know, one of the reasons I love talking to is because I recognize so many of the books that you've read by the words that you use. So I recognize when you say something that Jim Roen said, you know, it's a it's a familiarity that that kind of keeps us connected a little bit because some of those people that you've studied, I've studied and we get to share in that memory of of those people. 

Khadevis [00:35:45] The younger generation now is a quote. They said the learners will inherit the earth when they learn it will find themselves beautifully equipped for a world that no longer exists. These younger generation, my sons will eight years of his life. Barack Obama was president. These kids have come up in a different world. It ain't so crazy for them to see a black person successful, a Jewish person, a white Hispanic, a woman, a gay, whatever that is. So while we're sitting here fighting all these changes they like they don't want to be dealing with this race stuff. They don't want to deal with this police stuff. They want to move on. They got free and you see right there right now. Kellyanne Conway and her her husband's daughter and a daughter going back and forth. And listen, I've looked by what I'm trying to say is the younger generation, they got friends. They look different, Anita. They got France and different religions. And they live in this world where he got tick tock it, Instagram, a tough day. They trying to get past the stuff that we've been fighting and going through for the last 20 years. They couldn't stop that a long time ago. We don't want to deal with this stuff. Right. And to me, that's what's needed is needed for us to be real. And understand that if we're going to make it better for the people, that's coming up, this will change with us without this. You've been to Germany before. 

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Ari&Khadevis2.mp3

Ari [00:00:02] Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results? We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. 

Ari [00:00:13] For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians, Paralympians, A-list actors and Fortune 1000 companies. If I did not get results. They did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who controlled the system want to keep the status quo. If I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are. Join me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as a chat with industry experts. Elite athletes thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. 

Ari [00:00:51] I'm Ari Gronich and this is. Create a new tomorrow podcast. 

Ari [00:01:03] Welcome back to part two of this interview, if you missed the part one. Head back to the previous episode before you listen to this one. Now, we'll dove right into the conversation from the moment that we left off. Thanks again and welcome back. 

Ari [00:01:18] So what's the biggest impact that you're wanting to make in the next half of your life? 

Ari [00:01:25] You do a lot of charity work and stuff like that, but I know you have. A heart to create a massive impact. I saw that you would never be doing that. 

Khadevis [00:01:38] Not running. No. 

Ari [00:01:39] If you were up. 

Khadevis [00:01:41] Well, you know, to be quite honest with you, I had gotten to a point where I didn't even know I was still being what I call super healthy even now, which is important. But, you know, for me, it's like that's the way I do my caffeine. And I don't. I didn't even use I didn't do caffeine much when I was competing. And even though I was younger, when I started coaching, I started like no more caffeine. We actually 6 o'clock practices. I have to go all through a day like I'm married, have kids. And so for me, I just like, you know what, you know, some guy to give us an example was Steve Harvey. This one's which really resonated with me. He was harmed by smoke a cigar. I don't I don't do cigars and smoking, but he would tell about smoking cigars. And people say, why do you smoke cigars? I hope it's the opposite. Listen to what I say. Listen to me. I go to work at 5:00 in the morning. 

Khadevis [00:02:28] Sometimes I work all day. He said, I'm not out. Waiting outside. I got one wife. I don't got three or four wives. I'm not doing all this crazy. I don't use drugs. I rarely drink. I take care of my wife. I take my kid to go my house. I'm human, right. Some got a giggle. This cigar is my wimpy. You know, a lot of guys, a lot of girls before they go home at the word go by the bar to happy hour. Some people go to Vegas. Some people gamble. People do all sorts of stuff like I don't do those things. I take this garb and this is how relaxing. So for me, one of the things I do, you not only don't leave practicing, go to the board to happy hour. You know, again, I'm not a big gambler. I really don't drink at all those types of things. You know, my family. I mean, we are you know, I take care of that. I do this. So my thing is little soda. It can be worse. It could be. Give me a shot of him. I'm not doing it, though. You know, ice cream. It could be worse. Could be frightening. I ain't going it. So that's my thing. But to get back to your point on what I'm trying to do, the second half of my my life, you know, it's a movie called Hugo. It's a Muco Hugo in a movie, the boy talks about there's no extra ports in the world. And what that means is everything that's in the world, from our scan to the grass to the sky, to the oxygen, to the animals, to the water. 

Khadevis [00:03:56] Everything's here for a reason and a purpose. Everything, their hair, your skin, your teeth, the saliva on your tongue. Everything that's in the universe, the earth. Everything here just cap materials here for a reason and a purpose. There are no extra points and says he realizes this. We know that there are no extra points when you build and when you make a watch, you don't put the extra part on the watch when you make shoes. You don't put extra effort when you make a car. You don't put someone up for no reason. Everything you put on him is for a reason. There's no extra points. So he said, I refuse to believe him. An extra point. Meaning I'm here on Earth for a reason. I'm not just some partners on Earth just to be for no for no reason. That's what I believe. I believe that I'm here on the universe effort for peace. So there are two major moments in a person's life. What the moment you were born and to the moment you realized why you was born. And for me, what I realized was how the world to a kid from the south side of Fort Worth, Texas, my mom. 

Khadevis [00:05:02] You know, a lot of drinking when I was younger come from slum's the hood make every mistakes in the book is wild as you can get as tough and mean as you can get all those things? How do I how did I go from that to, you know, having a master's degree traveling around the world, speaking of being in Africa, speaking at colleges? You know, Mary Masuo cause me to always say how. Beth Esser is what I want to share with others, because it lets others know that there's nothing inherently special about me. There's nothing inherently special about Tom Brady. Now, there's some special. But is it inherently meaning It is not like, you know, God gave us some just totally different air. Yeah. Maybe a little stronger here, but for every little thing, God gave us a little better. He gave someone else some better. Another area. Right. So best my goal my goal is to say, OK, I see a kid. And he and he he can't run. He's like, I'm the I'm the worst in sports. You know what you call something. You might not be the best yet. That's a skill set you can develop in skill sets can be developed. But God and the universe can put you really no reason why the universe put you here, OK? And then do some about it. Don't just say, OK, I'm good at sewing, but then don't. So they don't sonand for nobody. So some short people. And yet Abboud's we might say that's the worst song ever seen in my life. So why you don't get fired is going to say, man, some really good song. And do it for you see, most people don't want do you know how many people told me I would never. Win a race in college, I mean, just pick just random stuff. Do you win a race? 

Khadevis [00:06:51] Oh, you know me to nationals and you make them that or, you know, be all American, but you make all America, you know, your top three. You get top, you never win and you win. And then it just keeps going. They just go, oh, you won't do well and pro. You go to where? You know, at the finals at USA would time you. 

Khadevis [00:07:03] You know, when you're sick, they just keep you can't you can't worry about people. That's what they don't do. Well, whatever gift the universe a guy gave you. You got to go for it. Because what stood out here and getting here, even if you don't make it here, you become better always in the process of trying to get to here. And that's what you see people just going through like me. 

Khadevis [00:07:27] What I mean is they just let life happen to you. 

Khadevis [00:07:32] And it's sad because you look at them, you know, they have a skill set. I know people that I'm like, man listen, if I could see like you can say. I don't feel as if people who didn't sign me for the biggest contract. I must not be seeing it. Why does the caged bird scene? Because it has a song. 

Khadevis [00:07:49] So I'm just gonna be singing. But most people don't live like that. 

Ari [00:07:55] That is awesome. I really like the analogies that you've been using. 

Ari [00:08:01] You know? I found out really early on I was five. I think when I was five, when I did my first massage. 2 bucks for it, too. 

Khadevis [00:08:15] Oh my God. 

Ari [00:08:16] And then I started walking around the party and saying, two bucks for a massage. 

Khadevis [00:08:23] You already knew. 

Ari [00:08:24] I didn't have any feelings of doubt about. Yeah, just I'm five. I two dollars. That's better than allowance. 

Ari [00:08:31] I'm going to make some money. Let's go do some of that. And then along the lines, you know, we we build up our immunity to the praises of our own skill sets. 

Ari [00:08:44] And, you know, I was a great athlete, but I was not never. 

Ari [00:08:50] A bad ass elite athlete. But I was a great athlete. I had an 80 mile an hour fastball in Little League. 

Ari [00:08:57] But I couldn't do anything. If I had a bunch of audience watching me. You know, I had that I'm trying to please too much. 

Khadevis [00:09:09] Yeah. Yeah. 

Ari [00:09:10] And, you know, the thing is, if you're trying to please somebody else in any way, shape or form, you're diminishing a slight amount of your own ability and capability and performance. 

Khadevis [00:09:27] If you're that type of person. What I mean. So. Exactly. See if I'm ghitis example. So there some of us. When we're doing something. Once we go into trying to please or some someone else, the focus is not on the doing. But some outside factor, which makes it worse. Does that make sense? There's others who have that unique ability. So when they track, when they do doing somebody's trying to please someone, they can still focus on Maslach, do a good. So, for instance. You know, it's you know, a guy might know that this girl a life because he wins the race. Well, one guy, he might be like. Oh, girls here. And I like her. And she'd like to win a race. Go back and win other guys. Just let me let me out whenever there is a focus on the race and they get the girl. So that's some that individuals have to figure out who they are. Know thyself. And if you know you're one that focusing on the girls will make you nervous and not do well, then you need to put things. The strategies in tact, tactics and techniques get in place so that when you're there, you won't focus on that distracting distractions. So distracted mind is a defeated mind. 

Ari [00:10:40] All right. So how do you how do you translate that then to, say, business where you're trying to say you're a you're a I'm not going to say what culture this this family is from, but the parents are saying you've got to be a doctor or a lawyer, you know. Yeah. And so you become a doctor or a lawyer because you're being told constantly your whole life. But you're supposed to be a singer. Yes. You know, let's just say. 

Ari [00:11:07] So how do you translate to life? Find out who you are. It sounds like a really good and easy thing to do. What kind of skills and techniques do you recommend for somebody to find out who they are and why they're on this planet? 

Khadevis [00:11:24] Well, for one, you're going to whenever you're doing what you what you're supposed to be doing is in the sense you're going to feel at home, you're going to feel at ease. 

Khadevis [00:11:33] You're going to be easy. You're going to feel like you belong. You are a lot of atley say when I walk in the court. I just feel like on because this is this day you're home. You hear actors say, when I get in front that calm. I just feel worse. Can if I can relate. Now let me in from the carpet. You get my point. So my point is, when you're in those environments where you feel like you belong. And then secondly, with your friends and family, people kind of tell you maybe they might mean you'll be a good man. You good? You know, they keep telling you this. That's the universe talking to you, this God talking to you. 

Khadevis [00:12:06] We think that God stopped talking to us because he didn't. He or she can do it from a burning bush and scream out that it. Come on, man. Like, you know. You know, God. Whispers Man. I mean, we've got to be we've got to be listening, right. We got to be listeners. So the way you find that is by really being in tune with yourself and really, you know, taking heat on what you really like doing. I give an example. So I went to last summer with the Zimbabwe and I was there for two weeks. You know, we'd heard all this crazy about Zimbabwe. All this is false. It's a great place. Loving would have been there now if I could. But so I went there and I want to do places that would speak in working with people doing all this stuff. Two weeks. I mean, just two weeks the whole night. Loved, like I loved. OK. So I got back. We landed and you know it, Columbus and I got off the plane and I'm a bag of stuff and I'm standing out there waiting for my pickup. And I started this feeling right. And I remember thinking, like, what you what is this like? You know, what is this Nessel? I felt this in about. 

Khadevis [00:13:13] Three weeks, I felt this sense right before I left to go to Zimbabwe. 

Khadevis [00:13:19] And what was it? Stress? It was me starting to think I've got to do this and I've got work. And the key is that it is all this other stuff. Right. And I realized when I was in Zim, it wasn't just being in Zimbabwe. It was I was there speaking. I was happy. There was chaos. How do you ask? How do you go to college there? What do you do? Yes. And I was like. And people asked my running and going to get your master's degree and all this stuff. And I was just in there and it was just everything. But when I wasn't there, nothing about all these bills and I got to work on this time, I need to recruit these at least. And if they say no and Hommel pay dad and I need to get up this time it up. You know, that's not to say there's bad things. It's just to say that I recognize that some of the things I'm doing that I was doing. That's what I was him to do, because it comes natural, energized, and I'm excited about it. I mean, it's easy. Enemy is always great. Sometimes you get there. Sometimes things don't work out the way you want to put it, for the most part. I feel at home. 

Ari [00:14:25] That's that's awesome, awesome way of putting it. I definitely have that when I'm speaking onstage. 

Ari [00:14:33] It's not easy, but it's home. 

Ari [00:14:37] Consulting people, when I'm working on people's bodies and, you know, figuring out how to fix that rare condition that somebody might come in with, you know, it's. That's not what stresses me out. It's all the things that are taking me away from my purpose, you know, and. And those are the things that that cause more stress. Yeah. Translate that into into life like, say, business. 

Ari [00:15:11] If you're a solo perner versus a corporation with a big team, you know. 

Ari [00:15:17] How do you find a team to take on the duties that you're not necessarily. Mental. Right. So that you can do more of what you're meant for. 

Khadevis [00:15:30] So it's two things I want to I want to go back to what you said before. The question was about your parents want you to do a certain thing which you now want to stress. That's my knowing myself. You know, I have a I know people who have parents within the marrison person and they don't want to think about this. So you marry this person that you don't really want to marry. Your parents are happy you're not. What good is that? Why would you why would you be in a situation where they not want you happy? And if they don't, then you got to think about that. And if they do what they want for marriage is person. So saying what a job is like. Yeah, you get it. They want you to be successful and all those types of things. But you make you more successful when you're happy. You know, when you when you're doing some special, you know, you're at your heart. So I wanted to go back on and you just asked another question. You said solo for Nora. How are you? So so what people have to do is none of us know as much as all of us. None of us know as much as all of us. So that's the first thing. The second thing is we have to learn. I was talking to someone. I mentor people. I do some life design, coaching, I guess you call it. And I told the girl, you've got to duplicate yourself. You have to get it because you can't be everywhere at the same time. And if you're only getting paid by your efforts and your sweat equity, you're your direct salary equity, then you're limited on what you can do and what you can get. So you have to duplicate yourself, mean that you have to go at training others to be able to do what you can do. Right. And if you do that, that makes quite a bit a little bit easier for us. Those things are concern. And then, like I say to you, if you I call it partnering with positive, powerful people. So finding others to partner with. Again, I'm an amateur on the Bible. But when you when you partner with others and you guys are on the same accord, you know, it says, you know, it talks about the Tower of babble. And it's like these people start to try to build this wall up to having a God or whatever. So God, God looks back, God looks down or up or whatever. We always say down. 

Khadevis [00:17:40] Have you ever thought about that. 

Ari [00:17:42] We assume heaven up here, right? 

Ari [00:17:44] We in the sky. Yes. 

Khadevis [00:17:47] But think about this. It's like this, right? It's a it's a it's a circle. 

Ari [00:17:54] And depends on who you ask. 

Khadevis [00:17:56] What, what? 

Khadevis [00:17:57] Yeah, yeah. But either way. But either way, even even if it wasn't, my point is this, you know, this whole story. 

Khadevis [00:18:05] I just want to say that Australia is now here. It's so up. It's actually down in a lot anyway. So anyway, guy, let's down say that the people look at them. They can do it. They need to do this. And then God says. If they're all speaking the same language on the same accord. Doing the same work. There's nothing they can accomplish. 

Khadevis [00:18:30] I mean, this is what this is what is in the book. No matter what you can do, it can be. You can read in Hebrew really well, it says in the book. 

Khadevis [00:18:38] All the spiritual books hint to that that people, a group of people get together speaking the same language don't mean all speak English or Spanish or whatever it means. They all got the same goal speaking. We all want to win a championship. We all want to start this business. Speak the same language, same go. Working together, they can accomplish anything. So that's what you've got to start realizing. What hinders us is that we want. We want to like I don't mean to pry the same. It is. I'm trying to coach somebody. I think Friday comes with a little bit better, this president right here and a certain little phase out. I don't get maybe don't do as good. I will not always have my hand in that. Right. But at some point, if we want to if we want to increase our sphere of influence, we're going to have to be comfortable with knowing that there are certain things they're good at. They may not be as good here, but in order for me to be able to influence and effect more people, I have to bring more people in. 

Ari [00:19:34] Right. 

Ari [00:19:34] So, you know, my my next book is called Tribal Living in a Modern World. And it's the corporate culture revolution. 

Ari [00:19:42] And I kind of start bringing back the idea of master apprentice in turn. You know, because I feel like we've we've gotten to a place in society where we're all in school and we're kind of being told school, school, school, school. But the real learning happens when you're sitting next to somebody who's been there and done it for the last 20 or 30 years and is a master at what they do and can just take you by their, you know, collars, so to speak, and show you exactly what it is to do that particular job. And then maybe you find a different master to apprentice with and then a different one and you learn multiple modalities of mastery in that particular art. 

Ari [00:20:31] You know, you're a coach. 

Ari [00:20:35] But you've had many coaches, not just all right. 

Ari [00:20:39] And so you've been able to learn from those multiple coaches and kind of work with them as a master apprentice, almost. 

Ari [00:20:53] So how do we how do we get back to that in society in general so that, you know, because for businesses there's always mastermind's and mentorships and things like that. 

Ari [00:21:04] But getting somebody to actually say, yes, I want to have a master or a mentor or a, you know, apprentice relationship that way. 

Khadevis [00:21:16] Well, the good ones will they are successfully occludes successfully. Failure does, too. You go out. I do this. This is one of my speaking out and I say. Tell me someone successfully, Tom Brady or Warren Buffett. 

Khadevis [00:21:30] You know, Elon Musk or. Oh. I don't care. The industry using. And asking, do they have a mentor? And ninety nine point ninety nine percent of them say yes. That's a clue. If you're talking about the best of the best in any and every field in the entire world, no matter what. And they all say they got mentors is a clue. Now, if you find a whole bunch of failures and then let them, but they don't have means, so they could be a clue, too. So my point is. 

Khadevis [00:22:00] Sometimes in life. So I would talk to my friend as a Navy SEAL. He said Navy SEALs are not necessarily may. They are identified or found. What does that mean? Well, when you're going through Burzum, you go through that training, when you go to hell, week it. That's how often everybody everybody's heard. Everyone's tired. Everyone's sleeping sleepy. It's just rough. And so what they're trying to do. Well, the individual had that mindset. They're going to say, this is stupid. This is crazy. Why are we doing this? Why we. You know, why am I getting in trouble for this? Why do I have to, you know, all these things? And for others, they just keep plugging. So what happens is there's a certain mindset that one has to have to be that Navy SEAL. OK, well, the same would be massively successful. Success is relative. But what I'm trying to say is, do the ones who are going to be really good. They have that mindset. They are. They'll be open to that in a song that, you know, I always say this. If you if you're coachable, trainable and teachable, I can make you unstoppable. 

Khadevis [00:23:15] If you're coachable, trainable and teachable. I can make you unstoppable and might. I can I can help you be successful. What I can't do is help you want to be successful. You've got to want it. And that's the thing. Some people, they think they want it. They say, I want to. I want a million dollars. You said, OK, well, meet me tomorrow morning at four a.m. It's OK. Either tomorrow morning at 4am. In the next day, you sell them. See tomorrow for you, they come in there for a minute. See you tomorrow for him. Go ahead. Hold on, man. I mean, I'm gonna be at this forum. So every day. Every day. For how long? As long as it takes. You said you want to make this man not less. So people want the success, you know. They want that. They want the finish line without the journey. And so that's what happens. We have to be real with ourselves. So if I say I want to be whatever, I find someone who's doing it. And I asked him, what does it take? I have to be asking myself to say, do I really want it that bad? And if the answer is yes, they plug away in the fastest, no. That's fine. Just don't waste your time always. 

Khadevis [00:24:19] Nobody else is that if by some that you are passionate about, but you're willing to get up at 4:00 a.m. every day and do what if what if you meet somebody and they appear or think that they have no passion for anything, they just or a nine to five work on the assembly line kind of person and maybe some hobbies on the weekends, but usually just doing chores live in that, you know, good ol American life. 

Khadevis [00:24:48] That's fine. Sometimes for some people, the best. That does it for them. It isn't wrong with that. You don't you know, I don't judge. My personal belief is that they just haven't found what really sparked Staab. But some individual, you know, might expand. They can never go back to its original form. Right. So once, you know, once you know, this is kind of like, man, you know what? You might know it. Right? Once I realized. Once I realized that. The universe, God put me here for a reason like I cannot not realize that, you see, I'm sad. Like, once you help somebody say, man, are you mad? Like the work you've done on me. It gave me a new lease for life. I can run every day. I'm happy. I'm happiest when I'm running. Man, I just don't know. I was getting depressed because I couldn't run. I was in pain all the time. I want to be in medicine once you know that. It's hard to just not do that. And notice people at the knees that you see. 

Khadevis [00:25:46] I'm saying every day you're gonna be like, my God, you have people saying you don't do that, you don't do missiles. But what you're doing at work no more. Come on, man. You really you know, it is hard to just play not just golf because, you know, you like you can really help people lives and doing it. And I think that's how some of us saw it. 

Khadevis [00:26:01] Others maybe they haven't had that experience yet. And it's fine. It's fine. You're allowed to live your life in any way you want to. But I'll say this. Amy Goggins says some that gave me chills. He talks about at the end of his journey, we call life. We go when we die. I go wherever we go. And so I'll be somebody there. God, somebody else. There would have been a pamphlet. It has almost everything we've done on here, everything we've done and everything we're supposed to do. And he said he won't. Look, Acel, you graduate from college. Check that marriage. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you weren't exactly our list type of stuff. Say his goal is not for that guy to be going like you did what you like. 

Khadevis [00:26:45] Yeah. Made you lose you lost 100 pounds. You could have lost 200. You say you don't want had it. He said he went to God, look at him and be like David Guy. Look. He loves the one hundred pounds. Check. He got married. Check. Navy SEAL check. You did this check. 

Khadevis [00:27:04] Goggins, this right here. Even I didn't see that coming. That's what you say. So that gave me till like I want to I want to do so much in his word and people be like. 

Khadevis [00:27:17] We've seen me run and live, but they go on like this, though, I beat him in high school. He got a master's degree. I'm in college. This guy's in Africa. I mean, my what? So I want to. How in the world. How the. What are you doing? How do you train. How do you want to know how they do. We need you to go to college. 

Khadevis [00:27:38] How did you do that. And now I can tell, you know a bit what I do. You two can do how. Right. Because it's a book called 40 Tales of the Afterlife. And it talks about what happens to us after we supposedly die. And what I'm saying is that when you die, you don't ask to die, Lee. You actually go to like a weight room and you stay there until the last person mentions your name or last breath and remembers you. So some people stayed there for like 20 years because maybe their grandkids were the last one to remember them. And then once they grandkid, daddy, they face others. They're a little longer. Maybe they you know, they own account if they had a statue in the college and the casket tore down. Others are there for a period of time because they labidi in a book nearby. He's reading the book, been around. So one of the ways we can live on is by helping others. I had him keep. Quote, Not you, not me. I keep it to me by doing my life's work. We live on when we got. 

Ari [00:28:43] Yeah. You know, one of the reasons I love talking to is because I recognize so many of the books that you've read by the words that you use. So I recognize when you say something that Jim Roen said, you know, it's a it's a familiarity that that kind of keeps us connected a little bit because some of those people that you've studied, I've studied and we get to share in that memory of of those people. 

Ari [00:29:14] And so I quite enjoy that particular that that think. So, you know, tell me something. You're you started a new charity. 

Khadevis [00:29:24] Yeah. 

Ari [00:29:26] What's it called? 

Khadevis [00:29:27] The Reading and running initiative. 

Ari [00:29:29] What's it do? 

Khadevis [00:29:31] OK, since lay it shows, you know, Will Smith said this, Will Smith said. If you get on a treadmill and you run long enough of what's going to come in your head and say, man, why are you doing this? You need to slow down. You need to stop. And so if you run long enough. My name's Trevor. Any running that Western on top of your head. And if you can defeat that once you've got it made because it's the same. What it tells you is quit or stop when you don't even think challenger. And so to me, he also said that reading any problem we have, any issue we have in life, someone else's head. And they've written about how to overcome it or secede from it. So to me, the reading and writing initiatives, those are two ways in which we can instantly. Or fag. Hundred percent change our lives. And I thought about it more, so I went to Zimbabwe because some individuals might say, well, they don't have the resources, but you don't need you don't need much to run. Like, you don't have to have a stadium. Not that you can go barefoot, you can run anywhere. So the running point is dead end and reading. Now we have technology for us, Internet and all those types of things. So you can do one of the other. It's going to it's going to really help you. So the purpose is, is to identify individuals, organizations that that maybe are not functioning at their highest level and show them how that they show you how to function at your highest level, no matter who you are, no matter what organization you were, even if you hate running through the relay, running the initiative. There certain there's certain fundamentals that we all can get to those. Those are two basic things that's been going on. It's the beginning of time since we first learned how to write a writing talk. The reading, reading and writing has always been that I was first in the mode of getting from point A to point B. 

Ari [00:31:18] So tell us tell the audience, what book or books are you currently reading? 

Ari [00:31:25] What authors are you currently enjoying? And a couple of things that you've learned from that. The book that you're reading now or. 

Ari [00:31:36] One that you've read recently

Khadevis [00:31:38] There is a book called Be steel and Get Going. 

Khadevis [00:31:42] And it talks about this. And you said it's kind of it's a Jewish book as a Jewish rabbi book. And it talks about take leave. And I smile because I just love these concepts. And it talks about how. We all had to leave our comfort, our place of home somewhere else. All the greats, all of the greats. Moses, Jesus, you name no matter who they are. A lot. 

Khadevis [00:32:07] They left their comfortable spot. They left their home town or whatever it is, because think about it. Jesus wanted to leave people tumbi Jews to say like man rheumy. He was indictment's man. Don't give me that, you know. So it's kind of hard for people at your home town, even though your whole life to see you as this remarkable person continually. You can leave to come back, but until you leave is hope it can happen. But it's hard. So that book talks about take leave. Talk about going somewhere. Because what happens is when you go somewhere else, people go see you to filtered eyes. They can't see you with new eyes and you could become what you need to become. So that's one book. It's another me. It's gonna be so surprised people talk about all the time. It's how the 50 block, you know, everybody knows the 48 laws of power. Robert Green. 

Khadevis [00:32:49] But the fifty, a law he got with 50 Cent and they wrote a book. And there I relate to that because, you know, if he'd still uses a lot of examples and analogies from, like real life situations. And the first law, one of the first laws is be an intense realist, see the world for what it truly is matter. You can do that because most of us don't see to it for what it truly is. We see it for how we want it to be. We we see it for how we hope it to be, how we wish it to be. We need to see the wolf, what is right now. So prime example, you know, we can sit back and complain, you know, we can make excuses. We can wish it another way. We can want to know that's fine. But the best thing you do is see the world for what it really is. Says who was global. The world has become global. It's become Internet, a booming competitive. Now, that's where I that women are going to be more in the workplace and they're going to be not going to come on and be promoted. It's happening. Whether you want that to happen or not. There's more women in college. It's more women. Work is coming. No more women will be out there. You must get women from the Middle East that's getting more freedoms. They can do stuff and they can drop Cosmopolis from from what I'm trying to say is I like that book. I like that statement that says, I mean, being a tense realist, because even right now, I think people being real. But what's truly going to get the Political Pop, get relief, really get out and just see the world for what it really is and how you fit in in that whole equation. And if we can do that, you know, you can't see yourself in the frame. You can't see yourself in the frame. You've got to connect. You know, you've got to partner with powerful, positive people. Right. And by doing that, you're able. To see yourself a little better in the frame. And so for me, those those two books are every so well, I so make a name. But those two are the ones I like to relay to people because it's like because they're real. See, a lot of times on these podcasts. I have a podcast. I do. And I try to be. We stayed. We stayed a very typical politically correct stuff like say, oh, what was you thinking when, you know, this president did this? Well, I'm just saying don't mean anything. Now, just like really I didn't really know I was trying to beat that person. You know, people asked me in two thousand eight. And we will get ready to die and try to make the team. It appeared that I had reached that grab. Lopez was the front of my important bed and he was like a man. Well, you know, people say, you trying to run and you try to pull back. Let's do it. I'm trying to get across the line and make the Olympic team. So I didn't cause any harm. A ton of cause we think grab he's got as low pay as pulling back. No, that could have been Jesus or whomever. It could been bolder. I've been trying to just get across the line. See, nobody wants to be real about what's going on and how they stand things in a life. And that's what that's what people need. 

Khadevis [00:35:45] The younger generation now is a quote. They said the learners will inherit the earth when they learn it will find themselves beautifully equipped for a world that no longer exists. These younger generation, my sons will eight years of his life. Barack Obama was president. These kids have come up in a different world. It ain't so crazy for them to see a black person successful, a Jewish person, a white Hispanic, a woman, a gay, whatever that is. So while we're sitting here fighting all these changes they like they don't want to be dealing with this race stuff. They don't want to deal with this police stuff. They want to move on. They got free and you see right there right now. Kellyanne Conway and her her husband's daughter and a daughter going back and forth. And listen, I've looked by what I'm trying to say is the younger generation, they got friends. They look different, Anita. They got France and different religions. And they live in this world where he got tick tock it, Instagram, a tough day. They trying to get past the stuff that we've been fighting and going through for the last 20 years. They couldn't stop that a long time ago. We don't want to deal with this stuff. Right. And to me, that's what's needed is needed for us to be real. And understand that if we're going to make it better for the people, that's coming up, this will change with us without this. You've been to Germany before. 

Ari [00:37:06] Yes. 

Khadevis [00:37:07] Germans. You know, it's like they like stuff like this on time. 

Ari [00:37:12] Very structured. 

Khadevis [00:37:13] Very structured. The plainly the way I was leaving this home boy where you can be run up a swivel. Twelve clock, 30 seconds later. Close the door. I'll leave it. I had a.. Right. So I always say for us that train is going whether we own it or not. So it's better for us to have something for us to get older and understand. I don't mean my life. It is like this was going on in the world. 

Ari [00:37:34] Thank you so much for listening to part two of this interview. Stay tuned for the next episode when we resume this conversation right from where we left off. 

Ari [00:37:43] Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world, go to the Web site, createanewtomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. 

Khadevis [00:38:05] You have a gift for you. Just for checking it out. And look forward to seeing you take the leap. And joining our private paid mastermind community. Until then, see you on the next episode. 

Khadevis Robinson one of the top track athletes on the planet. Now, one of the top coaches and an author of a novel called "The Reading and Running Initiative" 

His journey inspires everyone to continue to have hope to move forward despite the challenges. To not stop and just keep doing what you do until you make it through.

Learn from the expert through Khadevis Robinson.

Episode Highlights

Khadevis [00:01:43] Yeah. Just essentially from from from Texas, played football, ran track cross-country, the whole nine, you know, and end up going to CCU and getting track there and did some things that that somewhat proud of, I guess you would say, and ended up winning an NCAA championship. And what's blessed to be able to run professionally and move out to California, guess what? So you're not mad at it. And now to California. When I was living in Santa Monica, you know, ran for a good spell, probably lower than I anticipated. It went well. And no end up retiring in 2012 Rapide Olympic Games and started coaching. Coached originally at UNLV and did some high school coach, some open coach and prep professionals started on the collegiate coaching at UNLV then I would say Ohio State one year left and went to LSU for four and now back at Ohio State. This is going on my fourth year and it's been going it's been a good journey. May have been been writing, got a book out.., a non from another nonprofit, a nonprofit in Santa Monica. You track and run a club. And now I just write a novel called The Reading and Running Initiative, speaking and training and the whole night and just trying to use the tools and the gifts that got. God bless me. 

Ari [00:07:35] So you can either take the environment and the situations and the things that would otherwise cause you to paralyze yourself or and you can do something with it or you can stop it. So you know what to you, because, you know, I'd like to talk to you about both athletes and business and life in general. Right. So what about you? What you're saying can be translated from the track over to the office, over to the person in their home who's trying to live their life. Right. 

Ari [00:08:12] What can what can be translated from athlete's mindset to a life mindset? 

Khadevis [00:08:20] All of it. I'll let you know if you really got to study success, I guess you would call it right. And if you notice some, you start to notice that there's a huge amount of individuals from New York City that have been pretty successful. You still I mean, people that don't ask every walk of life. They're from New York City and they in a they always make it a point to break it up. I love New York City, man. And I'm talking about white, black, Jewish, Asian. It don't matter the race, no matter religion, Christian, Muslim, you know, modern USA. I'm from New York and they're saying something. And what they're saying when they say they're from New York, they're saying, I'm from a certain environment. I'm from an environment that if you don't if you're not tough and you don't find ways and you're not resourceful and you don't develop a skill set, you develop a tough skin, you don't develop different with the you're not gonna make it. And they're saying, because I came from that environment, once I've gone, I said it and finally it was easy, you know, and that's what it is. What happens there? I think some of us that come from. I come from. I come from. 

Khadevis [00:12:32] So think about this. I want people to get this this concept. So a lot of individuals, a lot of us, we don't want the world to be we don't want our world to be what it really is. In other words, when you're going through trauma, when you're going to hurt, when you're going through pain, your first reaction is to avoid that pain of what that hurt you avoid that trauma. Right. And it's like you don't want to face it and you want to. You want to daydream. You want to sit back. You want to wish you was different. And one of the things we have to do in life is resist the temptation of always wishing it was different. You know, that don't make you. You like it a lot. But that means instead of wasting time sitting there just hoping and wishing and looking at somebody else's life and saying, this is your life. This is what it is. Right. This is what it is. So we have to learn to use that. To move forward, so I gave an example. You say the environment. I use it to harden myself. Well, here's the reality. And I'm an amateur on the Bible. But in the Bible, Moses was talking to God and he was asking God about given that the chosen people out of Egypt and the pharaoh wouldn't let him go. And so Moses thought the God God said, tell them go. Most would go there and ask Pharaoh. Pharaoh, say no, Moses, come back. And guys, they tried this and most would go and try to loot, tricked Pharaoh and do the same thing. He was saying, thank God they did it back and forth. 

Khadevis [00:18:03] Right. So you didn't care about whatever happened in the race. So pick him up. And then I go back to my wife. My my my wife's distraught, crying. My coaches like Kate believe it. And I told Sports Illustrated. I told the reporter that interviewed me that if this was the worst thing to happen to me that year, that I'm a blessed man. So I went back to Santa Monica and I had to do that before. And two thousand. Two thousand I got four didn't make it. And I was in total shambles so that before I made so 2008, it wasn't my first rodeo. I'm not making it. So I live in Santa Monica, go down to Venice Beach, which is from where I live, was not far at all. And you hardly ever go there. I went down and I'm walking on Venice Beach is packed as the summer is packed. I haven't really close. I don't have on Miss USA, you know, Olympic stuff. I have. Oh, now I have regular clothes is packed. I'm walking an African guy who I know now is a close friend of mine. 

Ari [00:20:33] So what are the biggest obstacles that you've had to face that you see, you know, as an industry the athletes have to face? 

Khadevis [00:20:44] But for one, I know it's amazing. I tell athletes a time. I don't know if they just don't believe me. When you're a professional track and field athlete, you are professional for one, and you're a business. Two things really identify with being a professional professional. That doesn't mean you're professors because you're better than the majority of the world and you get paid for. That's that's that's part of it. What I mean is you're a professional. You know, there's not be expectation is the way you speak, the way you dress, the way you interact with individuals and ready to interact with people, the way you hold your you know, you have a contract doing your part in the contract. All of those things as a professional, you know, showing up on time. If you want to race, as you said, you want to run a race, run that race, signing autographs before after you've been a professional. So to me, it's a challenge because a lot of a lot of us just want to run. You know, we want to just do what we're good at and what we like doing. We don't want to, you know, necessarily have to do the other stuff before the race, you know, go and do these interviews or whatever. Some of us like it. Some don't. But that's the first day. So, you know you know, you have business and you your brain, you are a brand of yourself. Which means a lot of times you hear people getting frustrated and upset about saying what they feel like the sponsors didn't do for them. Listen, I'm pro athlete, meaning I'm always for the athletes rights and needs. Always. I was an athlete. 

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Ari [00:00:06] Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results? We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians, Paralympians, A-list actors and Fortune 1000 companies. If I'd not get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who controlled the system want to keep the status quo. If I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are. Join me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as a chat with industry experts. Elite athletes thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. I'm Ari Gronich and this is. Create a new tomorrow podcast. 

Ari [00:01:06] This is our Ari Gronich, and we are back again with Create a new Tomorrow podcast. In here we have with us as a guest today is Khadevis Robinson, one of the top track athletes on the planet ever. Now, one of the top coaches and Khadevis. You know, you and I have known each other quite a long time. I think 2007 ish. Two dozen eights. Somewhere around there. When we met. Tell me. Tell us a little bit about yourself. And how come we get along so good, you know. But tell us a little bit about your history. 

Khadevis [00:01:43] Yeah. Just essentially from from from Texas, played football, ran track cross-country, the whole nine, you know, and end up going to CCU and getting track there and did some things that that somewhat proud of, I guess you would say, and ended up winning an NCAA championship. And what's blessed to be able to run professionally and move out to California, guess what? So you're not mad at it. And now to California. When I was living in Santa Monica, you know, ran for a good spell, probably lower than I anticipated. It went well. And no end up retiring in 2012 Rapide Olympic Games and started coaching. Coached originally at UNLV and did some high school coach, some open coach and prep professionals started on the collegiate coaching at UNLV then I would say Ohio State one year left and went to LSU for four and now back at Ohio State. This is going on my fourth year and it's been going it's been a good journey. May have been been writing, got a book out.., a non from another nonprofit, a nonprofit in Santa Monica. You track and run a club. And now I just write a novel called The Reading and Running Initiative, speaking and training and the whole night and just trying to use the tools and the gifts that got. God bless me. 

Ari [00:02:55] Absolutely. So let's see. You know, when you and I met, you had been to one Olympics and but you were the top ten for over a decade. Tell us a little bit about your mindset and what made that possible for somebody like you. Like, you know, I ask this of all elite people in general, like, how dare you? How how do you become you? Why is it that you were able to create yourself into this elite form of a human being? 

Khadevis [00:03:27] I think every individual have to have a skill set and a talent. So the first thing is recognizing you have the skill set and talent no matter what is seen to be saying. And that could be education. It could be sports. It can be whatever. So recognizing what that is. And secondly, once you recognize what it is. Make a decision, a choice, make a decision to say, OK, I'm going to use my talent and my gift. Right. And develop it, multiply and and share it. So I think what makes certain individuals what I would call massively successful core success is relative, right? I mean, we can look at someone that's making one hundred thousand dollars that is pretty successful. But what they could be making a hundred million. Right. You're still successful. What is like is relative. So when I say I'll say I'm massively successful, I mean, someone that is really doing tapping out what their skill set is. They know what their levels at so what makes them that is there is their mindset. I have a speaking series in which I go to certain organizations and groups and it's called Developing the Champions Mindset of Developing the Winners Mindset. And what that means is, you know, we all have a skill set. We all have what I call an inner Olympian in us in different fields. What makes the divide between the ones who are able to chase that and accomplish those and wants or not is the mind set? They haven't. They have one person. I look at a certain situation and come up with something negative. Was another person come up with some positive? Now, again, those are relative. So what I mean by that is right now doing this pandemic. There might be people saying, man, you know, I can't. You know, I can't run because, you know, he can't be in groups. You can't train. There's no races going on in. My season was cut short. They don't know me. I got you a break. War records. Now, why last night's two extremes? You got one person that's cut the season short. Not racing, not run. 

Khadevis [00:05:17] You had not person is breaking the world record because of the mindset. One person saw it as something that affected film, and the other person said, you know what? I'm a keep doing what I do. You know, God or the universe or whatever. Put me here to do certain things in a certain way. And I would just keep pushing forward. So to me, I think that's what is set. That's what sets certain individuals apart. 

Ari [00:05:38] It sounds like what you're saying to me and I'm just going to translate it into my language is one sees an obstacle as a complete and total barrier. 

Ari [00:05:49] And the other sees the obstacle, the same challenge, the same obstacle as something to hurdle over. 

Khadevis [00:05:55] Yeah. And that's it. As simple as it can guess. Yeah, that's it. Maybe the other person maybe the person sees it as a dare. Right. You know, like movies case am I say how dare you. I double dare you. Let me show you, you know, and most of us had that we was kids, you know, we did it with our friends. We did it our brothers and sisters. You know, I beat you here or I could do bednarz I can make better. Great. Whatever it may be. Somewhere along the line, a lot of us stop having that sport, you know, maybe because, we, we have some resistance and we fail, maybe lost confidence in ourselves. But the point I'm trying to make. Yes. Yeah. Other some people see that hurdle and they go man. That's pretty how I know if I can jump that. Well, the one that goes for he, he or she may still have that same doubt, a fear, but they don't let it paralyze them. Right. It's like the deer that sees the headlights and is one. I'm like, OK, we'll get it here. Right. And there's nothing I can do about this. So in a free and as a no. Selma, you here? I'm trying to get away. Right. You know, it's like they both seeing the same headlines. They both have the same fear. But one takes action. The other one don't. So, yeah, I think that's what it comes down to. And this is what Avery's paying in life. And it is such a cliche because people hear the same thing over and over again. Are you able to go through this? Yeah. You go through that. But I'm telling you is the truth. 

Ari [00:07:13] Yeah. So, you know, based on that, you know, I was talking to Dominic earlier and we were talking about some of his challenges. 

Ari [00:07:21] You know you know, Dominic, he he and you competed in the same track Olympics, I believe, around the same environment. But, you know, the environment can either make you or it can break you. Right. 

Ari [00:07:35] So you can either take the environment and the situations and the things that would otherwise cause you to paralyze yourself or and you can do something with it or you can stop it. So you know what to you, because, you know, I'd like to talk to you about both athletes and business and life in general. Right. So what about you? What you're saying can be translated from the track over to the office, over to the person in their home who's trying to live their life. Right. 

Ari [00:08:12] What can what can be translated from athlete's mindset to a life mindset? 

Khadevis [00:08:20] All of it. I'll let you know if you really got to study success, I guess you would call it right. And if you notice some, you start to notice that there's a huge amount of individuals from New York City that have been pretty successful. You still I mean, people that don't ask every walk of life. They're from New York City and they in a they always make it a point to break it up. I love New York City, man. And I'm talking about white, black, Jewish, Asian. It don't matter the race, no matter religion, Christian, Muslim, you know, modern USA. I'm from New York and they're saying something. And what they're saying when they say they're from New York, they're saying, I'm from a certain environment. I'm from an environment that if you don't if you're not tough and you don't find ways and you're not resourceful and you don't develop a skill set, you develop a tough skin, you don't develop different with the you're not gonna make it. And they're saying, because I came from that environment, once I've gone, I said it and finally it was easy, you know, and that's what it is. What happens there? I think some of us that come from. I come from. I come from. 

Khadevis [00:09:22] As long as I come from a hood slum ghetto by no stretch of the imagination. I'm, like, bragging about it now. I am not initially, proud of it. What is the reality? And just to be able to graduate from high school, just to be able to be living right now. You know, I had to develop certain skill sets and be, you know, persevere different things and face different challenges. And those things help you further along in life, you know. And there are some individuals that didn't have that didn't come from that environment. You know, it's like, you know, I have a friend named Holloran Merill. He's a he's a Navy SEAL. I was in it for 20 some years. Great guy. San Diego, and he talks about how his environment when he was a kid, helped him a little bit when he was a Navy SEAL becoming the kid, he was always in the water and swimming in outlet. So what he was trying to do at birth become a Navy SEAL that free of the water wasn't already there because he was in an environment that somewhat prepared him a little bit for what was going to come next. The same thing with us in life. Some people avoid those horrid situations in life as some people get in a mess and they don't get the message from the mess they don't get. They don't get their test the money from the test. And I think what happens is they want to think, OK, I'm just good in academics, I'm just good at sports, I'm just a good dad or whatever it is, not knowing that some of those skill sets, some of those obstacles are transferable. 

Ari [00:10:46] That's that's awesome. You know, I grew up in a way that was I considered to be. I had I had a dual world, right. I had the world of trauma and drugs and fights and all that kind of stuff. And then I had the world that I had very loving parents, but my parents didn't really understand what was going on. 

Ari [00:11:11] They worked really hard to create and do what they wanted to create. And do you know, they were working so hard and didn't really necessarily get to see all of the world that I grew up in. And it was Santa Clarita Valley. So you could kind of understand, as if by Magic Mountain, supposed to be, I guess, small town, you know, easy life. Right. But I wouldn't wish my life, so to speak, on anybody else. 

Ari [00:11:41] And yet I sometimes feel like. That hardness. Translated into some of my softness, you know, because I was able to take and transmute what was happening to me and say I want something better for other people. And so I'm going to be that something better for other people. 

Ari [00:12:07] And it sounds like you took a lot of the traumas of life and used it to harden yourself a little bit more so that you can could could compete with yourself to get better and better. So tell me about that process in your mind of how you did that, because that's something I think that the listeners would really get benefit from. 

Khadevis [00:12:32] So think about this. I want people to get this this concept. So a lot of individuals, a lot of us, we don't want the world to be we don't want our world to be what it really is. In other words, when you're going through trauma, when you're going to hurt, when you're going through pain, your first reaction is to avoid that pain of what that hurt you avoid that trauma. Right. And it's like you don't want to face it and you want to. You want to daydream. You want to sit back. You want to wish you was different. And one of the things we have to do in life is resist the temptation of always wishing it was different. You know, that don't make you. You like it a lot. But that means instead of wasting time sitting there just hoping and wishing and looking at somebody else's life and saying, this is your life. This is what it is. Right. This is what it is. So we have to learn to use that. To move forward, so I gave an example. You say the environment. I use it to harden myself. Well, here's the reality. And I'm an amateur on the Bible. But in the Bible, Moses was talking to God and he was asking God about given that the chosen people out of Egypt and the pharaoh wouldn't let him go. And so Moses thought the God God said, tell them go. Most would go there and ask Pharaoh. Pharaoh, say no, Moses, come back. And guys, they tried this and most would go and try to loot, tricked Pharaoh and do the same thing. He was saying, thank God they did it back and forth. 

Khadevis [00:13:54] So finally, mostly, OK, what am I need to do to tell his pharaoh? You know, he needed to let us go. Is that true? And isn't that Gaza? OK. Just try to do this. They said, listen, he's not going to last. Was important is hard. Right. But he at least tried to do it. So Moses goes and tries to put out a story. But here's what happens. People say, well, hold on, this doesn't make sense. Why would God tell Moses to go try it had a favorite let go and harden his heart. No. One, he's not going to agree to it. That's not fair. Why would he say he's hardened his heart, buddy? No, he's not. Well, here's what happens whenever we're in an environment and then whenever we make the decision to do good or bad. Once we do it, once it becomes easier to do it again. Once you give a homeless person five dollars once, it's easy to keep giving them five. But once you punch somebody once, it's easier to punch him twice a third time. Right. So from our environment, we can nationally become hardy or we can become soffit. Now the weight and direction goes is determined by if we're willing to face reality, if we become hardened and we face reality and understand we can use it for good. Then, yeah, we are hardened, but we don't go out and push nobody else to be haunted. And we understand that we are Horten. For our sales to shelter away from pain, but not to cause pain, and if we're suffering from some, we have to be swept up how to give that back and not to bring it in. So what I'm saying is best what happens is like we all get influenced by an environment, but it's up to us to recognize how we was influenced and recognize how we're going to share that with the rest of the world. 

Ari [00:15:29] That's awesome. So share with me your favorite memory of athlete. 

Khadevis [00:15:37] You mean high school? Middle school. College. Pro what? 

Ari [00:15:40] Yeah. You know, whatever. Whichever you'd like. Whatever your your most promising favorite memory is. 

Ari [00:15:49] You told me about what you told me about it last time we talked. So. 

Khadevis [00:15:53] I have I have three I don't know if I told you one about when I was in Falen ah my college, when I when I was a senior. 

Khadevis [00:16:00] Ah, you mean once when I told. 

Ari [00:16:02] You you told me both the Finland story and the one where you came in fourth. 

Khadevis [00:16:09] Oh yeah. That's not yet. You know it's ironic though. This is the story I tell people when I give speeches because it's the one that. Brought everything together. What I mean by that is, you know, I had been running and I had won a couple of national championships, made some Olympics and all this type of stuff. But when 2008 came about, I was in the best shape of my life, born. I was in. I was. Everything was click. And I had just had a son. And so to see them was going. Things were going well. The Prefontaine Classic. And I was in great shape. And I really, really, really felt that I was going to run fast. And when I got just I knew it and I was ready. And I got in a race and I ran well, I ran on top five times in the world. That guy came from second or third place, whatever it was or whatever it was I wasn't pleased with. I was. Best to say the least. So I went back home to Santa Monica and I trained the next day. I think about this is just round one, 40 for low travel. Random race. I work that after the race. It'll work out right after the race. And I went back to Santa Monica and I train the next day. Long story short, messed myself up. Go to the Olympic trials, essentially ranked pretty high in the USA. And right then once when the U.S. ranked top whatever in the world end up not making the team again. Fought with a die in Eugene, Oregon, you know. So just everything that could go wrong went wrong, you know. But what happened was I remember my son was there. My wife was there. I remember coming up, a track in total shock. Let's feel like I'm in some type of dream nightmare. Not able to even. Don't you have no time to absorb stuff, having to do interviews? And I remember my son Justin. I like their dad here. I knew, as you know, I was when I was good with daddy and, you know, signed. I left for a little while. He heard a lot of noise and I came back out. He's like, pick me up, dude. Is that what you do? 

Khadevis [00:18:03] Right. So you didn't care about whatever happened in the race. So pick him up. And then I go back to my wife. My my my wife's distraught, crying. My coaches like Kate believe it. And I told Sports Illustrated. I told the reporter that interviewed me that if this was the worst thing to happen to me that year, that I'm a blessed man. So I went back to Santa Monica and I had to do that before. And two thousand. Two thousand I got four didn't make it. And I was in total shambles so that before I made so 2008, it wasn't my first rodeo. I'm not making it. So I live in Santa Monica, go down to Venice Beach, which is from where I live, was not far at all. And you hardly ever go there. I went down and I'm walking on Venice Beach is packed as the summer 

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Kyle [00:03:27] So since I've been in that world for the most part and since then, really, I I've I do corporate work as well now because the whole kind of idea of wellbeing in the last few years is as developed within organizations. And I think there is this ignition that's to, you know, in order to have people be engaged and productive, ideally, they need to be have a sense of purpose, have a sense of meaning and be reasonably happy. So at the moment, my working life comprises both a combination of private therapy, work, working with sufferers of chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, irritable bowel anxiety, depression, and then the corporate work where I'm accommodation of kind of coaching workshops, where I'm helping people, I suppose, get the best out of themselves. And as you said in that that intro, getting mental clarity really to be able to help people kind of perform effectively. So that's a bit of a nutshell of where I was and where I am now. 

Ari [00:07:56] Yeah. You know, the thing that that strikes me every time I talk to anybody about National Healthcare Service versus insurance based like it is here in the US, is that really there's very little difference between the kind of care we get. It's it's more about who's paying versus based on results. There are some countries that have more of a results based versus procedure based system. 

Kyle [00:09:16] I'm addressing it from a perspective of what I suppose you could say. It's function. I'm not a trained functional practitioner, but I'm I'm approaching it. I suppose there are some fundamental pieces. So I'm approaching it from a perspective that stress is is basically the underpinning cause. But I'm looking at stress, not from a psychological perspective, but from a perspective that the stress response in the body is largely the same, regardless of the stress. So that could mean that the environment, be it something physical, something emotional, stress response, is pretty much the same. And that's, I suppose, the basic tenets of my approach. 

Ari [00:12:52] You know that that's a thing that, as you know, I've I've worked with emotional release, somatic body work for a long time. And it's probably some of my favorite work is the issues are in the tissues. Let's get it out of the tissues. The number one cause of all diseases is stress. And it's, I think, considered the third or fourth contributing cause of death, but it contributes to all other diseases as well. So, you know, here, here's the thing. We're going to end the call. But I end this always asking three actionable steps that somebody can take right now who's listening to shift their health, to shift their world so that they can create a new tomorrow within themselves. 

Ari [00:14:44] Well, so. So let's talk about just a couple of actionable ways. So you're saying focus on yourself to be present. Do you have a technique or a tool that somebody can take away right now and use to do that more appropriately? Because you can say something like be more present with yourself. But a lot of people really don't know how to do that. 

Kyle [00:17:46] That really probably should be a foundational piece for everybody. You know, it's just not breathing properly, whether you want it to come to a breathing course or whether you just want it getting to your body and breathe a little bit more. I mean, that's how I started. But a lot of anxiety and depression is when I was between my late teens, early 20s and most of it. There's a number of factors, but most of it was because I just lived in my head. So I force myself out of my head, were very heads orientated culture or cultures. So I had to force myself out of my head. One of the ways I did that was just bringing my attention back to my breathing and feeling what it what it would feel like in my party, being aware of the tensions. Being aware that the feelings, just observing them are not. I didn't I hadn't read anything to to encourage me to do that. I've just sort of naturally did that. So but that I would say is that would be my number one. 

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Ari [00:00:01] Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results. We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians, Paralympians, A-list actors and Fortune 1000 companies. If I did not get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who controlled the system want to keep the status quo. If I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are. Join me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as a chat with industry experts. Elite athletes thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. 

Ari [00:00:50] I'm Ari Gronich and this is. Create a new tomorrow podcast. 

Ari [00:01:00] And welcome back to another episode of Create a New Tomorrow. 

Ari [00:01:04] This is your host, Ari Gronich, and I am here with Kyle Davies. He is a chartered psychologist, therapist, coach, trainer, author. Is the creator of Energy Flow Coaching, which is a framework for tapping in our innate ability to attain optimum health, wellbeing, creativity, clarity and mind. You know, Kyle and I have have been friends for a long time. I was on his show. I don't know many, many eons ago. And it's so good to have him with us. Kyle, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself and how you became who you are? 

Kyle [00:01:44] It's great to be back. It it's great to see you again, I should say. Thanks for having me on the show. And so a little bit about me. I mean, as you said, I'm a psychologist by trade. And I I guess I've done a few things, really. I started out my career in business consulting, doing various things, kind of moved into healthcare. I was just really interested in getting into people, I suppose, in business consulting. You working with an individual in their role. Sydney, 20 odd years ago when I started doing that. Where is I wanted to get a little bit deeper. I wanted to help people make transformations and make kind of profound changes in their lives. So I went and did lots of therapy, training, and then got involved with a medical doctor here in the UK who had a particular interest in chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia and what medicines at the time referred to as functional symptoms and syndromes. I know that's kind of changed nowadays. There's been a variety of names over the years, but the show we work together, we we evolved a process which is a mind body process and backing this beauty to thousands. Really back in those days, there wasn't huge acceptance, I suppose, of the notion of mind body approaches. There was there was in the kind of the spiritual world, but certainly in mainstream things are very much viewed as a separate mind or mental and physical body. And so we were looking at these kinds of health challenges from a perspective that, well, a body and brain that's in a perpetual state of stress ultimately breaks down and leads to a series of symptoms. And it could be quite a wide range of symptoms. 

Kyle [00:03:27] So since I've been in that world for the most part and since then, really, I I've I do corporate work as well now because the whole kind of idea of wellbeing in the last few years is as developed within organizations. And I think there is this ignition that's to, you know, in order to have people be engaged and productive, ideally, they need to be have a sense of purpose, have a sense of meaning and be reasonably happy. So at the moment, my working life comprises both a combination of private therapy, work, working with sufferers of chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, irritable bowel anxiety, depression, and then the corporate work where I'm accommodation of kind of coaching workshops, where I'm helping people, I suppose, get the best out of themselves. And as you said in that that intro, getting mental clarity really to be able to help people kind of perform effectively. So that's a bit of a nutshell of where I was and where I am now. 

Ari [00:04:31] Yeah, absolutely. You know, it sounds like you're doing some amazing things and you're in you're in Wales, correct? I'm in Wales. OK. So Wales is different than the US, obviously. And, you know, some of the things that that I have found as I've been teaching and training people in other countries is that the systems are so different. And it you know, it's hard. I wrote my course for the U.S. market. And when I was teaching somebody who was in the UK. It was very different because of the National Health Service, you know, and and some of those things. What are some of the the challenges and problems that you've had to face and some of the benefits that you've been able to to have from the system of in the UK? 

Kyle [00:05:26] I think in terms of challenges, probably the major thing is that because of the National Health Service, despite the national. The idea in principle, I think being brilliant is that everybody gets health care. The downside of it is that people become reasonably passive in relation to health care. So whereas in the US. From what I understand, you can you can select your primary care physician, whereas in the UK, if somebody has a problem, they immediately go to their GP and if they want to see a specialist, they need to be referred from their GP. And whatever problem the person has, they will go to their GP. And again, because the way that's paid for is if your unemployed person. A proportion of your income is taken every month before you can see it. So it's almost kind. This is always a feeling that health care is free. So I think what the you know, the kind of end result of that for people like me is that there is possibly a or historically there's been a reluctance to go outside of the national health and pay for treatments. But also there's nothing else to say because because people automatically follow that route. There is a tendency to be reasonably passive when approaching health care. So those are probably the sort of the the downsides, I would say, of the healthcare system over here. Say, I think it's great because it means that people get health care and don't have to worry about that. And certainly in Wales, it's even to the extent that you will if you're prescribed a medication by your GP, you get that free or free university comes. It's paid for by national health. And that was one of the things that we've just had with a whole kind of Covid thing is, is that the main issue was that the main concern seemed to be that the health care service, the NHS, wouldn't be able to cope if, you know, a huge number of a huge proportion of people got ill. So that's that's the sort of the the the down side. On the plus side, as opposed to a certain extent, if that answers the question. 

Ari [00:07:56] Yeah. You know, the thing that that strikes me every time I talk to anybody about National Healthcare Service versus insurance based like it is here in the US, is that really there's very little difference between the kind of care we get. It's it's more about who's paying versus based on results. There are some countries that have more of a results based versus procedure based system. 

Ari [00:08:26] But in both the UK and the US, the really the difference that that I've seen is a difference in who's paying versus the difference in actual system of medicine. 

Ari [00:08:42] It's kind of frustrating to me to to learn about, you know, the different countries and the different systems of healthcare. 

Ari [00:08:52] You know, what are are some of the things like I ask because you have training in the mindset, but you also have training in some of the functional medicine side of things. 

Kyle [00:09:04] So I don't actually know that I'm not trained in functional medicine stuff. 

Ari [00:09:08] OK. So you're addressing the stress of anxiety and chronic fatigue through a mindset approach? 

Kyle [00:09:16] I'm addressing it from a perspective of what I suppose you could say. It's function. I'm not a trained functional practitioner, but I'm I'm approaching it. I suppose there are some fundamental pieces. So I'm approaching it from a perspective that stress is is basically the underpinning cause. But I'm looking at stress, not from a psychological perspective, but from a perspective that the stress response in the body is largely the same, regardless of the stress. So that could mean that the environment, be it something physical, something emotional, stress response, is pretty much the same. And that's, I suppose, the basic tenets of my approach. 

Kyle [00:09:55] So I'm looking at it like, OK, so you could have a car accident, you could fall down a flight of stairs, you can have a really bad diet. You could lose a job. You can have a bad case of flu, there's any you know, you could be sleeping really badly. All of those things trigger their stress. And I'm looking at it in a very simplified, practical way. But the idea that, well, they're all they are all going to trigger stress at some level in the body. And it's the the combined impact of all of those things that will then results in the production of symptoms. All the bodies of body and brain stress response being stuck on the idea of that will, when the stress response is stuck on that causes a an impact or causes the systems of the bottom to be dysfunctional. So you or two Dabic nervous system, the immune system, that endocrine system, they will kind of out of whack. So that's that's the principle of it. And it's looking at from a perspective of what they're kind of pillars of health. So we need to really look at our sleep. 

Kyle [00:11:00] We need to look at our nutrition. We need to look at our movement fundamentally. For me, I think I see emotion as being the biggest piece. But I'm not looking at emotion from a cognitive perspective as such. I'm looking at an emotion as being, you know, this complex physiological process that affects basically all of the body and all of the brain. So I'm trying to break down the barriers of the kind of the mind polity that. All right. Well, this person deals with mental stuff. This person is with physical stuff. So I recognize that some level well, there's organic things in the body and there are things you could talk about with mindset. But in terms of impact, does it say for me what's missing, especially when you're looking at emotion, you're looking at something which is a mind body process. So in terms of the work that I do, yes, I do look at sleep. I do look at nutrition. I do look at exercise. I find for the most part those those are reasonably tangible. And it's not that they're an easy fix, but they are tangible and that, you know, you can give step by step procedures, whether it's when it comes to emotion. Emotion is is deep. It's tricky. There are spiritual aspects to that because it connects to, well, who am I? My sense of me and how I relate to life, my identity, so much of my work is about getting into that that deeper side of things. So I try to view it is to a certain extent it's functional because I'm looking at it from a holistic perspective. But as I say, probably the focus and it can be because of where I come from. But my belief is that the biggest contributory factors to the conditions I'm working with are unprocessed, blocked or imbalanced emotion. 

Ari [00:12:52] You know that that's a thing that, as you know, I've I've worked with emotional release, somatic body work for a long time. And it's probably some of my favorite work is the issues are in the tissues. Let's get it out of the tissues. The number one cause of all diseases is stress. And it's, I think, considered the third or fourth contributing cause of death, but it contributes to all other diseases as well. So, you know, here, here's the thing. We're going to end the call. But I end this always asking three actionable steps that somebody can take right now who's listening to shift their health, to shift their world so that they can create a new tomorrow within themselves. 

Kyle [00:13:41] Three actual steps. I think that's what we know, is that changing behavior is quite tough and people tend to behave at an unconscious pattern. I think the probably the the most important things are being more present, paying attention to oneself a little bit more and how and how you feel knowing that. All right. Well, actually, I feel is quite important, really. And so I need to let myself feel we live in a very externally focused culture where we block how we feel. So that that's that's probably the that's the major thing is I'll allow what you feel. Recognize that putting yourself first is not being selfish. So I'm honoring what you feel. Speaking and acting from your truth, not your view. And that is what will self self first is not selfish. So. I didn't get the last three, but those are the kinds of things really. Without going into much deeper stuff. 

Ari [00:14:44] Well, so. So let's talk about just a couple of actionable ways. So you're saying focus on yourself to be present. Do you have a technique or a tool that somebody can take away right now and use to do that more appropriately? Because you can say something like be more present with yourself. But a lot of people really don't know how to do that. 

Kyle [00:15:08] No, they don't. I suppose the thing that I start with my clients is this coming what I had on the back of this as well, something I start on with my clients is just having them breathing in in a conscious or optimal way, which is I am not looking because breathing in the work that I do is is a foundation rather than a it's a you know, it's it's meant to pull people back into their body. It's not meant as a tool to alleviate symptoms. So I don't I'm not looking for any kind of complex behavior patterns. You know, if people want to do yoga. Breath work, Brilliant. What I have people do say we'll just come back into your body at various times through the day as you catch your attention or you can set something on your watch and just pay attention to your breathing and feel yourself towards a natural rhythmic breathing for yourself. Ideally, a little bit slower and a little bit deeper. Now, that could be you. You breathe in for a count of three and out four to five. I never if I'm never in favor of forcing something. So that's comfortable breathing from the balance of a slower, deeper way. That's a brilliant way of beginning to come into the party. So he is. So that's. So that's. That would be one thing. He isn't just a little bit in terms of the way I work with the idea of tools and techniques. 

Kyle [00:16:30] It tends to be the case that people, in my experience, always revert back to what they normally do because their behavior is unconsciously driven. If people stop doing it too little technique, very often they'll do it for a little bit and then they'll stop and they'll either revert back to what they were doing before or the brain. It's in its attempt to seek novelty will look for the next thing. What I try to do it is what I do is have more understanding. If people can understand where the nature of their experience comes from, what gives rise to my construction of reality, what gives rise to my buy mood or gives rise to my feelings? Where does all that come from? When people begin to understand all that, they can then adjust themselves because they begin to have read, have realizations and insight into. All right. I can begin to see how I'm creating that for myself. Now, in doing that, I find that people can naturally adjust rather than having a will give me a tool or a technique. Now, there are kind of little tools and exercises as part of what I do with people, but I've just kind of given that as a as a foundational principle. That's kind of one of the ideas for breathing. I mean, you can't go wrong, can you, in terms of that? 

Kyle [00:17:46] That really probably should be a foundational piece for everybody. You know, it's just not breathing properly, whether you want it to come to a breathing course or whether you just want it getting to your body and breathe a little bit more. I mean, that's how I started. But a lot of anxiety and depression is when I was between my late teens, early 20s and most of it. There's a number of factors, but most of it was because I just lived in my head. So I force myself out of my head, were very heads orientated culture or cultures. So I had to force myself out of my head. One of the ways I did that was just bringing my attention back to my breathing and feeling what it what it would feel like in my party, being aware of the tensions. Being aware that the feelings, just observing them are not. I didn't I hadn't read anything to to encourage me to do that. I've just sort of naturally did that. So but that I would say is that would be my number one. 

Ari [00:18:43] Awesome. So, you know, when I used to do a lot of corporate gigs, I would talk to people about standing up and breathing, because if you're sitting down and breathing, your diaphragm is cutting off your lung capacity by about 50 percent. And so you're only drawing in so much nutrients, so much oxygen, so much that you can process and use for brain health, which is why people go to work and get brain fog a lot. And so if you stand up and extend your torso, all of a sudden you're taking your lungs off of your diaphragm and you're able to do full belly breaths. And that brings more oxygen, more nutrients to the cells, more oxygen and nutrients to your brain, which then makes you a little clearer, a little more cognitive and have the ability to handle stress at a much deeper level. So that is a fantastic. You know, piece of tool for for the listeners. And, you know, I'll have to have you on again. We're gonna do this again. Thank you so much for being here. Kyle, where where can people who want to get a hold of you. Get a hold of you? What's what's some information that they can check in with you? 

Kyle [00:19:57] My Web site is energycoaching.com. My I'm on social media, on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn and energy flow coaching,. 

Ari [00:20:08] Energyflowcoaching.com. 

Ari [00:20:10] Kyle Davis, thank you so much for being here on another episode of Create a New Tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich, and I look forward to hearing from you and seeing you on the next episode. Thank you so much. Have a healthy day. 

Ari [00:20:27] Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world, go to the Web site, createanewtomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. 

Ari [00:20:49] I have a gift for you just for checking it out and look forward to seeing you take the leap and joining our private paid mastermind community. Until then, see you on the next episode. 

Sesh Sukhdeo is a global transformation expert, collaborative partner in business and in everything else. He's spoken at the U.N. and parliament on collaboration.

Learning how to communicate effectively to reach your audience is what Sesh Sukhdeo shares with us in creating a new tomorrow.

Episode Highlights

Sesh [00:01:40] Wow. Well, thank you so much. Ari, what a pleasure. Well, when you hear such an introduction, it's always interesting when you hear someone else playing your story or some of your highlights. It's always engaging, but but there's nothing more, I would say rewarding than looking in your own mirror. Right. So so whatever I'm about to say, Ari, really, it's just it's not about who, you know, what I've done, but it's more about who I am, I think. Yeah. All of those things are really the manifestation of efforts in some shape or form. But for every great story, there's probably a hill that we've all had to fall down to get to the store. And so, yes, I've had some some really interesting highlights in my career and in my life. But like with most business people, most entrepreneurs and most people, it's a rollercoaster, you know, and and the the wisdom that we have today. It's something we can reflect on, but, you know, when you when you start off early in your career, we all have dreams. We all have those strong desires. 

Ari [00:05:37] Beyond beyond that, you know, as as you've consulted companies like world banks and countries, what have you seen as the biggest block to people being able to get that mindset, the heart set to be adaptable to change? 

Sesh [00:05:57] Yeah, well, you've mentioned two things to the mind sets and the heart intelligence. And I was speaking to a global thought leader, Murray Diamond. But I'm only last week and we've been having this really interesting conversation and very recently people saying, I'm so sensual, so soulful and it just resonating. And I'm I keep going back and says, well, you know. How comes in my career, I've built those wonderful relationships. Well, I did a lot of this. Yes. Because one has to understand who you're dealing with. 

Ari [00:08:37] So which piece of that is true? Which piece of that isn't true? How does you make it optimize? You know me, I'm I'm all about performance and optimization. Right. Getting results. So the question I get to ask myself is what results make things more optimal? And if I have dissenting opinions, I can find out if those results are going to be more optimal or if the results that I have or if they're somewhere in between that we can play with, that becomes more optimal. 

Sesh [00:10:23] Right. And so one is one of the big problems in business very often is we think, you know, there's a concern for task and a concern for people. We know that there's a continuum when you are purely focused on performance. Without concern for people, that balance shifts as we see today. OK, so so for me, put peak performance is great, but but not at the cost. Not at a cost. I'm not I swear, I think not, but as you said it, there's a balance between here and here, which is our consciousness, I guess it's way that lives anyway, right? Yeah. 

Ari [00:11:08] All right. So we're gonna have one. One final question. 

Ari [00:11:13] The question I always ask at the end is, can you give one to three actionable steps that somebody can take now to move their life forward in a meaningful way that they can literally take and say, OK, I can write this down and I can start on it now? 

Sesh [00:13:46] And it's it's you know, I'm also, you know, I read it irrespective of all of the wonders of things I have done, I am personally going through my own journey again. And and it's it's a beautiful moment. Absolutely beautiful moment. And what I found is all three of those things have brought to me. A global in my sphere of radiance is with influential people who are coming one by one. It's effortless. 

Resources and Links

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• https://CreateANewTomorrow.com
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Ari&Sesh1.mp3

Ari [00:00:01] Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results. We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians, Paralympians, A-list actors and Fortune 1000 companies. If I did not get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who controlled the system want to keep the status quo. If I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are. Join me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as a chat with industry experts. Elite athletes thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. 

Ari [00:00:50] I'm Ari Gronich and this is. Create a new tomorrow podcast. 

Ari [00:00:59] Welcome to the Create a new Tomorrow podcast. 

Ari [00:01:03] We're here with Sesh Sukddeo, and he is an amazing collaborative influencer on the world. I'm going to let him tell you a little bit more about what he has done and who he is. But this man has spoken at parliament. 

Ari [00:01:20] He's spoken in front of the U.N. He's been a consultant to companies that are major, major, major corporations, World Bank, as well as countries themselves. So, Sesh, I'm going to let you kind of give a little bit more about who you are and why is it that I'm talking to you. 

Sesh [00:01:40] Wow. Well, thank you so much. Ari, what a pleasure. Well, when you hear such an introduction, it's always interesting when you hear someone else playing your story or some of your highlights. It's always engaging, but but there's nothing more, I would say rewarding than looking in your own mirror. Right. So so whatever I'm about to say, Ari, really, it's just it's not about who, you know, what I've done, but it's more about who I am, I think. Yeah. All of those things are really the manifestation of efforts in some shape or form. But for every great story, there's probably a hill that we've all had to fall down to get to the store. And so, yes, I've had some some really interesting highlights in my career and in my life. But like with most business people, most entrepreneurs and most people, it's a rollercoaster, you know, and and the the wisdom that we have today. It's something we can reflect on, but, you know, when you when you start off early in your career, we all have dreams. We all have those strong desires. 

Sesh [00:02:53] And sometimes those desires aren't really aligned because that's why we need to develop our skills and our knowledge and our experiences. It's all part of the learning journey. So, yes, my name is Sash. Yes, I've done some wonderful things in my career. But the best way I describe what I've done is I love to build authentic relationships. And so that's what I'm about. I've been I've realized that that was my truth. 

Sesh [00:03:23] My truth was void of all of those traumas. All of those issues, all of those challenges. Every time I fell over down the hill and I tumble off, I picked myself up. I realized that my authentic self was my inner voice, which I managed to express in a different light. I realized that like a child, when you fall off the bike, when you remember when you first start cycling and you fall off. We what do we do? We pick ourselves up and we carry on with. We don't care. Bruised, bleeding, not hurt, but we don't. But what happens is when we get older and we continue falling, we bring a lot of emotional pieces. 

Sesh [00:04:10] We bring all of those desires that we have, which are really in itself probably an enemy because you become so attached to something that it drives you. You lose yourself in the process. So that all makes sense. You know, what am I. I am a person who loves to engage. I love to collaborate. I do so. In a way that there is value for all sides. And I've enjoyed the process of. Finding a way to reinvent myself at every stage possible. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. There are some people who start their careers and they're able to start and finish on one lane. But most entrepreneurs, as we know, to go down that path. It's just the nature of who we are. Anyway, I hope that makes sense. 

Ari [00:05:09] Yeah. Oh, it makes sense. 

Ari [00:05:10] You know, they say that the saying got it that they got wrong is survival of the fittest. It's not survival of the fittest. Fittest that Darwin said it's survival of the most adaptable survive. 

Ari [00:05:26] If you can adapt to change, then you're going to be the one who survives. And we've had obviously a lot of change in the last few months. Right. 

Sesh [00:05:35] Right. Right. 

Ari [00:05:37] Beyond beyond that, you know, as as you've consulted companies like world banks and countries, what have you seen as the biggest block to people being able to get that mindset, the heart set to be adaptable to change? 

Sesh [00:05:57] Yeah, well, you've mentioned two things to the mind sets and the heart intelligence. And I was speaking to a global thought leader, Murray Diamond. But I'm only last week and we've been having this really interesting conversation and very recently people saying, I'm so sensual, so soulful and it just resonating. And I'm I keep going back and says, well, you know. How comes in my career, I've built those wonderful relationships. Well, I did a lot of this. Yes. Because one has to understand who you're dealing with. 

Sesh [00:06:33] There has to be a princess to engage. But actually, it was my heart intelligence. That people were people by people naturally. Well, what happens is what's the blockage, Larry, is that we place barriers in front of us. And we we self sabotage. We don't value ourselves the way in which we can self-love. Trust me. Should be enormous. Should be something that we can relate to internally, that mirror that I mentioned. That's when I look in the mirror. And and so I think that, you know, I guess the biggest challenges that I see, it's the people you're dealing with. You have a choice. You have to also understand who do you resonate with. And if you believe that there's no one else like you out there, then you'll never come across people who are like minded. And there's a choice. We have a choice. All of those things you've spoken about are just a handful of many of the relationships that any one of us has managed to foster and develop. The truth is knowing when to step away. Knowing who's not in your tribe. You can't force energy that flow doesn't look that makes sense. 

Ari [00:08:02] That makes, you know, the kind of person loves to have dissenting opinion opinions around me. I like to have debates. I like to have arguments. I like to pick fights a little bit with especially with the system at large. Right. 

Ari [00:08:19] And I like those dissenting opinions because it allows me to develop more nuanced, critical thinking skills. 

Ari [00:08:28] I get to take that information in and then put it into my kind of calculator mind. 

Ari [00:08:37] So which piece of that is true? Which piece of that isn't true? How does you make it optimize? You know me, I'm I'm all about performance and optimization. Right. Getting results. So the question I get to ask myself is what results make things more optimal? And if I have dissenting opinions, I can find out if those results are going to be more optimal or if the results that I have or if they're somewhere in between that we can play with, that becomes more optimal. 

Ari [00:09:08] So to me, my tribe is people who have my opinion, who have my belief, and those who don't just like skill sets. Right. We want people with different skill sets. So I like what you're saying because they have to have the energy of openness in order to even have those conversations. Right. 

Sesh [00:09:29] You've got you've got you know, as you as you were talking, you know, just one word was was appearing as you were talking, which is truth. Why would you know if you if you are true to yourself and you really wanted to live of value, right? Yes. We need to use critical thinking skills. Yes, we need to use whatever skills we need to engage. But not every discussion starts off while the safety is a wind theme. Right. For all people. Well, what is important is, is being able to navigate forward and what you've described is. 

Sesh [00:10:08] Is using. Everything that you have about you, which is you, because if it's not meaningful to you, how on earth will your passion flow? 

Sesh [00:10:23] Right. And so one is one of the big problems in business very often is we think, you know, there's a concern for task and a concern for people. We know that there's a continuum when you are purely focused on performance. Without concern for people, that balance shifts as we see today. OK, so so for me, put peak performance is great, but but not at the cost. Not at a cost. I'm not I swear, I think not, but as you said it, there's a balance between here and here, which is our consciousness, I guess it's way that lives anyway, right? Yeah. 

Ari [00:11:08] All right. So we're gonna have one. One final question. 

Ari [00:11:13] The question I always ask at the end is, can you give one to three actionable steps that somebody can take now to move their life forward in a meaningful way that they can literally take and say, OK, I can write this down and I can start on it now? 

Sesh [00:11:34] Yeah, so I think the first thing is, is to check on the ego. It's not something you can actually weigh on a scale. OK? But one needs to reflect. One needs to perhaps maybe just explore. 

Sesh [00:11:51] What is it that sits there from the ego perspective? OK. And I guess the first thing. So so the first thing is just reflects, you know, just just maybe read up and just just take a check. Despite this, catch yourself. Are you making a decision because you are a new only? Or we're making decision because it's of benefit to everyone. Now, the ego means that we've got to I think the second thing in areas is we're in an environment where social distancing has now become the norm. That creates an opportunity to maybe talk differently, communicate differently. Now, we all know from from from research that most of our communication is body language. How on earth? Right. But you're going to see my expression if I'm wearing a mask. So in a way, this is where we get the opportunity to reflect. So the second thing is. The ego. Yes, but reflect. We have an opportunity to reflect in ways that we've never had before in depth. And the third thing, Ari, is my third piece of my wisdom would be when you find your frequency. 

Sesh [00:13:08] That resonates. You have to be ready. To go with the flow. 

Ari [00:13:17] I think that's the one with the going with the flow is hard for people, especially when they have preconceived notions about. 

Ari [00:13:26] What they should shouldn't, you know. 

Ari [00:13:29] All yes, those things. 

Sesh [00:13:30] So that's sort says preconceived notions are driven from wisdom. But is driven from ego or desire. Only then is it. You know, where to enter the rainbow again so that it's desperate that those are the three things that I would say. 

Sesh [00:13:46] And it's it's you know, I'm also, you know, I read it irrespective of all of the wonders of things I have done, I am personally going through my own journey again. And and it's it's a beautiful moment. Absolutely beautiful moment. And what I found is all three of those things have brought to me. A global in my sphere of radiance is with influential people who are coming one by one. It's effortless. 

Sesh [00:14:18] They're arriving. It's like the law of attraction. The intentions. It's like magical living. 

Sesh [00:14:24] All those things have now come into one. 

Sesh [00:14:29] So I'm just here. And I'm not going to a great my friend. Right. So let me see. You've got none. But my point is my point is it's never too late. 

Ari [00:14:42] Absolutely. Haven't having a hold of you. 

Sesh [00:14:45] Say that again? 

Ari [00:14:46] How can people get a hold of you? 

Sesh [00:14:49] So game changer sesh dot com. You know, it's been difficult trying to say my surname, but Game Change Assoc. Coalminer's where you can find me. OK. My name is pretty easy if you type in the sash. It's Sesh you're bound to find you'll recognize my picture. It's pretty easy to click on the link. 

Ari [00:15:07] Some people are going to be just listening to the audio so we'll know. Well, there's a picture up of you. Yeah. 

Ari [00:15:13] So thank you so much for for being here, for offering your words of wisdom and your years of experience. 

Ari [00:15:21] And I so appreciate it. And everybody go check out game changer sesh.org or sesh.com. 

Sesh [00:15:30] Dot com and. 

Ari [00:15:33] And find out what he's doing. He just had this amazing event with Forbes, Riley and Alex Stern, who created constant contact. I mean, it's it's an incredible road. 

Sesh [00:15:45] Angel. Don't forget Robo Angel, the creator of Pictionary. 

Ari [00:15:48] That's right. Rob Angel. Pictionary. 

Sesh [00:15:51] What was it, 60 million games to a million. 

Sesh [00:15:54] Thirty eight million. OK. I exaggerated. Yeah. 

Sesh [00:15:59] That's okay. We've got another event taking place on the 19th of September. Comes this uprising game changer, too, Ari? This is going to be. Well, you know, you already you know, you seem to feed back online. You see that people's lives. I said that right at the beginning. There are going to be some of you that are going to have the most dramatic aha moments. I missed exactly what happened. So I'm about to do number two. 

Ari [00:16:25] So I challenged to go and check that out and really start reflecting on yourself, finding out what is you, what is your ego, what's your fear and trauma versus what you really want. What do you want to do to live passionately, you know, create a new tomorrow is all about how we're going to activate our vision for a better world, how we're going to create the world that we want instead of living in and suffering in the world that's been created in generations before us. 

Ari [00:16:56] My saying is we made this up and we can make it up better. So let's do something about it. 

Ari [00:17:01] Let's check the ego, reflect on yourself, find out who you want to be. And when we get there, you really get to activate that vision and those passions for a better world. 

Ari [00:17:14] So thank you so much just for being here. And and we will talk again soon. 

Sesh [00:17:20] Thank you so much. Our pleasure. Thank you. Have a great day. Thank you. 

Ari [00:17:27] Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world, go to the Web site, createanewtomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. I have a gift for you. Just for checking it out. 

Ari [00:17:52] And look forward to seeing you take the leap. And joining our private paid mastermind community. Until then, see you on the next episode.

And today we have David Gruder, Dr. David Gruder. In fact, he is a twelve award winning integrative psychologist. He's president of the Integrity Culture Systems, which work focuses on what he calls self sovereignty, and that serves us all. He equips leaders, influencers and entrepreneurs who are called to repair and evolve the world in their own unique ways with inner, outer and spiritual skills to expand their positive impact. And a super change Catalyst's without sacrificing their lightheartedness, health, financial well-being or cherished personal and work relationships.

Episode Highlights

David [00:02:51] This one year it was it was 1960 at the latest. I might have been fifty nine, but I think it was 60. The New Year's card was a UNICEF card and it simply said the greater peace will only come after the smaller peace we make with each other. And even at six years old, those words went just straight into the core of my being turned out to really have a major hand in crafting the calling that I came to understand that I was here in this world to fulfill. 

Ari [00:03:28] That is awesome. You know what? If you're going to express one of the challenges that you've had in getting this message across with them, the system has, as we have it, what would be kind of the biggest challenge that you've had to face? 

David [00:03:46] The biggest challenge that I've had to face is something that I for decades have referred to as rightness addiction and among colleagues in the psychology profession. I use a tongue in cheek term, a fake, a fake diagnosis I call a paradigm attachment disorder. And so people who are right about how wrong everyone else is, they're unteachable and they're in that kind of state of of arrogance. 

David [00:06:28] So I decided I was here as punishment. And what I was able to offer to all that I was able to offer in that moment was the willingness to consider the possibility that maybe I was wrong and that little tiny bit of willingness was enough to crack the door open to what ultimately over time resulted in my finally outgrowing that rightness addiction of mine. And that story seems to impact the people who are teachable. 

David [00:11:17] Challenging people to to recognize that there are two forms of love. One is nurturance and the other is challenge. And that nurturing love, if it is out of context with challenging love, if it's only nurturance, it becomes self-indulgence that teaches entitlement. When challenging is without nurturance, it becomes shaming and abusive and coercive. We we must have both. And so that would be my first first recommendation is to practice that. My second recommendation is to practice remembering that people adopt positions and attitudes and defensiveness. For really good reasons, that the origins of their stuffiness, of their blindness, of their rigidity, of their attacking, of whatever they're doing, have have really good reasons behind them. That doesn't mean that the behavior is justifiable. But the origin of empathy, the origin of compassion is understanding that when people are relating to me in ways that I would prefer that they not or relating to others in those were ways that they're operating from their wounds. You know, people live their lives at the level of their wombs, not their wishes. So that would be the second thing. And the third thing would be the humility of teach ability, the humility that says I know that I am particularly focused on and have some wisdom to share about slices of a larger picture. But I don't see the entire larger picture. No one else does. And I really want to see parts of the larger picture that other people are more attuned to than I am. So that together we can discover what the whole picture looks like. 

Ari [00:13:59] Awesome. Thank you so much for being here. And I'm going to have you back on so that we can have a longer conversation and talk about some of the myriad of things that that you and I have had conversations about in the past when we've been face to face, able to to touch, you know, touch and see each other. 

Resources and Links

• https://drgruder.com
• https://drgruder.com/academy
• https://CreateANewTomorrow.com
• https://www.facebook.com/arigronich

Full Transcription

Ari&David1.mp3

Ari [00:00:01] Hass it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results. We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians, Paralympians, A-list actors and Fortune 1000 companies. If I did not get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who controlled the system want to keep the status quo. If I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are. Join me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as a chat with industry experts. Elite athletes thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. 

Ari [00:00:50] I'm Ari Gronich and this is. Create a new tomorrow podcast. 

Ari [00:01:03] And welcome back to another episode of Create a New Tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. 

Ari [00:01:09] And today with me, I have David Gruder, Dr. David Gruder. In fact, he is a twelve award winning integrative psychologist. He's president of the Integrity Culture Systems, which work focuses on what he calls self sovereignty, and that serves us all. 

Ari [00:01:27] He equips leaders, influencers and entrepreneurs who are called to repair and evolve the world in their own unique ways with inner, outer and spiritual skills to expand their positive impact. 

Ari [00:01:40] And a super change Catalyst's without sacrificing their lightheartedness, health, financial well-being or cherished personal and work relationships. He is amazing. I've known this man for about a decade or so and I have experienced some amazing things. I call him the gurus, guru or the mentor, his mentor, because some of his clients have included some of the most influential leaders that we have. Welcome, David. I'd like to hear from you a little bit. Just tell what got you started in this field. 

David [00:02:17] Oh, my gosh. Well, thank you for that kind introduction. And what got me in this field. I can go back into childhood around what got me into this field. I. Oh, my gosh. So many so many stories I could select from. But the one that I'll I'll keep an eye on for now is when I was right bout six years old and my family received a New Year's card. 

David [00:02:51] This one year it was it was 1960 at the latest. I might have been fifty nine, but I think it was 60. The New Year's card was a UNICEF card and it simply said the greater peace will only come after the smaller peace we make with each other. And even at six years old, those words went just straight into the core of my being turned out to really have a major hand in crafting the calling that I came to understand that I was here in this world to fulfill. 

Ari [00:03:28] That is awesome. You know what? If you're going to express one of the challenges that you've had in getting this message across with them, the system has, as we have it, what would be kind of the biggest challenge that you've had to face? 

David [00:03:46] The biggest challenge that I've had to face is something that I for decades have referred to as rightness addiction and among colleagues in the psychology profession. I use a tongue in cheek term, a fake, a fake diagnosis I call a paradigm attachment disorder. And so people who are right about how wrong everyone else is, they're unteachable and they're in that kind of state of of arrogance. 

David [00:04:20] That to me, is is the single biggest challenge. Probably the second biggest challenge is, is lack of self responsibility. OK. 

Ari [00:04:29] So how have you been able to overcome that with some of your clients? Because I know that you've probably had a number of clients who have had that syndrome. And I'm absolutely certain that in some cases you've been able to help overcome that particular addiction. So what are some of the skills that you used or tools that you've used in order to help people get over that? 

David [00:04:56] Right. 

David [00:04:57] Well, two parts to answering your question briefly, one. One part is that I don't try to make the unteachable see the light. So I. And that ties into the second part, which is I'm vetting people's teach ability to see whether it's a right match for me to assist them. I, I will often tell a story that kind of blows the untouchability piece out of the water if it is capable of being blown out of the water. And that goes to when I was thirty five years old in nineteen eighty nine, I was. Working with I was a client to someone who was doing some some healing work on me, and she turned to me one day and she said about a piece of programing that I was very wedded to. I was in rightness addiction about, which was that I was here on Earth as punishment. And she turned to me and she said, what is it going to take for you to outgrow that crazy belief of yours? 

David [00:06:11] And I I would have sworn on a stack of Bibles at that point in my life for the first 35 years of my life that I was here on Earth as punishment and punishment for what I didn't know. But I know I didn't want to be here. 

David [00:06:28] So I decided I was here as punishment. And what I was able to offer to all that I was able to offer in that moment was the willingness to consider the possibility that maybe I was wrong and that little tiny bit of willingness was enough to crack the door open to what ultimately over time resulted in my finally outgrowing that rightness addiction of mine. And that story seems to impact the people who are teachable. 

Ari [00:07:06] You know that that is a great story. 

Ari [00:07:08] I've I, I have this thing, you know, that I call nuanced thinking. I don't know if that's an actual term, but I call it nuanced thinking. And what I feel like, especially this day and age, is that so many people are so right about whatever their position is and they lack nuanced thinking, the ability to see things in little bits and pieces so that they can assess, OK. Is this particular thing right or wrong based on nuanced thinking versus based on my philosophy or my belief in the world? And we you know, we're seeing this all over the place in this new world that's been created in the last four or five months. And and it's really difficult. You know, people are becoming really intolerant of nuanced thinking, not just not knowing what it is, but really intolerant of it. How do you suggest that we kind of get over ourselves so that we can look at reality and say and start developing this nuanced thought pattern? 

David [00:08:26] Mm hmm. Yeah, well, I like your term nuanced thinking. I am regularly attacked for nuanced thinking. And so what do I recommend? I recommend two things. The first is I recommend lightheartedness, because I know that when people attack me for what you're wonderfully calling nuanced thinking, I know that what they're really doing is expressing that I've scared them, that my thinking is scaring them. And it's really hard for me to be angry, judgmental and and punitive towards someone that I recognize is scared. It's really easy for me to to be those things with someone who I'm telling myself a story that they're attacking me. So lightheartedness is one piece. The other piece that I think is really important is what I call tensions, competence, tensions, literacy, which is the ability to sit in the ambiguity of of a point of view that is not either or thinking, but as both. And that looks at how to. How do we integrate the core concerns and core intentions, the noble concerns and noble intentions underneath people's positions rather than get locked into an arm wrestling match match at best, and a world war psychologically at worst, when we get into an argument over surface positions, surface positions or garbage. What's fueling them at the level of of noble concerns and intentions is where the gold is. 

Ari [00:10:12] That seems a little bit like, you know, taking into consideration Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Right. And saying, OK, so what is behind the behind the need that's being expressed right now? Is that does that. Am I accurate? And in that assessments are on. 

David [00:10:28] Spot on. 

Ari [00:10:29] OK. 

Ari [00:10:30] So if we were going to offer the audience three and I ask this of every guest at the end of an interview with like three actionable. 

Ari [00:10:41] Steps that somebody can take today, tomorrow in order to shift their world, activate their vision for a better world and create a new tomorrow, what would those three actionable items be, in your point of view and your perspective? 

David [00:11:02] So if I had to had to break them down or divide them down two to only three. I would start with with. 

David [00:11:17] Challenging people to to recognize that there are two forms of love. One is nurturance and the other is challenge. And that nurturing love, if it is out of context with challenging love, if it's only nurturance, it becomes self-indulgence that teaches entitlement. When challenging is without nurturance, it becomes shaming and abusive and coercive. We we must have both. And so that would be my first first recommendation is to practice that. My second recommendation is to practice remembering that people adopt positions and attitudes and defensiveness. For really good reasons, that the origins of their stuffiness, of their blindness, of their rigidity, of their attacking, of whatever they're doing, have have really good reasons behind them. That doesn't mean that the behavior is justifiable. But the origin of empathy, the origin of compassion is understanding that when people are relating to me in ways that I would prefer that they not or relating to others in those were ways that they're operating from their wounds. You know, people live their lives at the level of their wombs, not their wishes. So that would be the second thing. And the third thing would be the humility of teach ability, the humility that says I know that I am particularly focused on and have some wisdom to share about slices of a larger picture. But I don't see the entire larger picture. No one else does. And I really want to see parts of the larger picture that other people are more attuned to than I am. So that together we can discover what the whole picture looks like. 

Ari [00:13:18] You know that that's a really good point. And to me, I call that tribal living or teamwork. You know, when when you can adopt a perspective that other people have something to contribute to you as much as you have something to contribute to them. And when we come together, we can really create something amazing and magical. 

Ari [00:13:40] So, David, how could people get a hold of you if they're interested in learning more about you and what you have to offer? 

David [00:13:48] Well, probably the single best place to look is my main Web site, which is Dr. Gruder dot com. 

David [00:13:54] That's drgruder.com. 

Ari [00:13:59] Awesome. Thank you so much for being here. And I'm going to have you back on so that we can have a longer conversation and talk about some of the myriad of things that that you and I have had conversations about in the past when we've been face to face, able to to touch, you know, touch and see each other. 

Ari [00:14:20] Yeah, I'm looking forward to having more conversations. 

Ari [00:14:24] And, you know, this is the kind of information that I want my I want the listeners to to really have is how can we change the world? How can we create a new tomorrow without some of these skills that you're talking about? 

Ari [00:14:41] And and it's very beneficial, I think, to doing so. 

Ari [00:14:46] So we're gonna have another conversation. 

Ari [00:14:48] In the meantime, this has been another episode of Create a New Tomorrow, Activating Your Vision for a Better World. And I am your host, Ari Gronich. Thank you so much for being here, David. And have a healthy day. 

David [00:15:01] And you as well. 

Ari [00:15:03] Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world, go to the Web site, createanewtomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. I have a gift for you. Just for checking it out. And look forward to seeing you take the lead. And joining our private paid mastermind community. 

Ari [00:15:34] Until then, see you on the next episode. 

Elizabeth Kipps an author of The Way Through Chronic Pain Tools to Reclaim your Healing Power. A health facilitator in areas such as stress, chronic pain management, addiction recovery, meditation, yoga, ancestral clearing. She is well versed in healing arts. If there is no pain, there is no gain. 

To experience healing from within - mind-body and soul. 

Episode Highlights

Elizabeth [00:03:01] Then you add sugar into the mix and you add a mother who was in chronic pain and using alcohol to mediate that deal. You know, really kind of a lot of social drinking going on, a lot of a lot of really addiction at that time. I lived in a very unpredictable environment in terms of I never knew when I was going to get in trouble because we had to be seen and not heard. And we had to perform. And, you know, all that comes a lot of pressure. I didn't. I had to work really hard to maintain a sense of I'm safe because I a lot of times I didn't I didn't actually feel safe. That's also a setup for chronic pain. By the way. So, you know, emotional, anything emotional in me. I was allowed to express. So that's a pressure cooker right there. Right. Then I had an accident when I was 14. I fell off a horse and landed on a rock and broke my fifth Lamar. It slipped. It broke on the both transverse processes and slipped forward. And today it's sitting 80 percent forward into my pelvis and pulling the leg nerves with it. I have hardware in there and kind of the bionic woman. But. But they don't. Nobody really understands. The Western doctors really don't understand why I'm walking, let alone a yoga teacher. 

Elizabeth [00:05:57] So I became unstable. I went and I it was the beginning of I had three surgeries over the next three years. Lot of pain. They put me on opiates and benzodiazepines, which to your audience is like the old version of out-of-band or Xanax would have been Dnipro Bammy. So that's kind of the old version, also known as Milltown. Back in the day I was on, that was their answer. I swear that was their answer for 31 years. You know, that was their answer. Opiates and Bonzo's and you don't get by on your wits. That was the answer. They didn't know how to heal it. And here's the pork important part. They never ask the question, why isn't Elizabeth healing? They just assumed I wouldn't. That was the flaw in the argument. 

Ari [00:08:38] Why you're not healing, but they're actually causing some of the further damage and the addictive tendency to. I need the drug, so I need the pain. So I need the drug. So I need the pain. It's like this vicious cycle, you know, challenging the system is also about challenging the questions that people ask. Right. So what were the questions that you've learned. To ask? What are the questions that you've learned to ask doctors as well as alternative health practitioners? Because I think that this will that'll be a really great thing for the listeners to understand is what questions do I need to ask my physician, my doctor, my therapist, whoever it is, so that I can get better results and get rid of the causes of pain and illness?

Ari [00:13:07] Because I was learning about this being something good for cancer at the time, that it was a big thing. That was a big pulled, big push for shark cartilage and it taking the shark cartilage and all of a sudden her numbers started to improve. And she went to the doctor and the doctor was like, what are these numbers and what have you been doing? And. Oh my goodness, I can't believe what's happening. This never happens with pancreatic cancer because it's it's a quick kill you. And, you know, it's like. Quick, quick, quick. She said, well, I've been taking this shark cartilage and that's the only thing I've done differently. And so it must be helping. And her doctor said, oh, that's stuff that doesn't do anything for you. You're just having a placebo effect. It does. You should just stop taking that and we'll figure something out that works. That works. She died a couple months later because she got so disheartened and believe, you know, she grew up in a world where you listen to the doctor, the doctor is the doctor is the authority. So you listen to them. You do what they say. And even now, prescription meds, doctor says, take this. What do you do? You take it. A therapist says, take this supplement. What do you do? Maybe we'll see how it does it. It doesn't have the same scripted value that. 

Ari [00:16:19] So the only the only caveat that I have to that is we now have this thing called Dr. Google. That is it's it's like a maze upon a maze, upon a maze, upon a maze of information. Kubra misleading matter. What's true or not true? It just matters who's got the best SVO. Right. It's a problem. Hard for people to get a true answer nowadays because they have so much to weed through. 

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Ari [00:00:01] Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results. We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians, Paralympians, A-list actors and Fortune 1000 companies. If I did not get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who controlled the system want to keep the status quo. If I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are. Join me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as a chat with industry experts. Elite athletes thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. 

Ari [00:00:50] I'm Ari Gronich and this is. Create a new tomorrow podcast. 

Ari [00:01:00] Hey, everybody, this is Ari. Gronich with another episode of Create a New Tomorrow. And we are here with Elizabeth Kipp, who is an author. She is a health facilitator regarding, you know, stress, chronic pain management, addiction recovery, meditation, yoga, ancestral clearing. I mean, she is so well versed in healing arts. She also has a plant based plant science Bachelors of Science degree. So it's not just the woo woo that she does. She did. She incorporates and integrates both sides in order to take people from their painful lives and and help them. So she's written a book called The Way Through Chronic Pain Tools to Reclaim Your Healing Power. Elizabeth, so thank you so much for coming on. And tell us a little bit about what got you started in this work. And I know you had some health challenges as well. So what do you tell the audience where you came from so that they can kind of feel what's possible for them? 

Elizabeth [00:02:08] Thank you so much. And I'd just like to say thank you for having me on. It's an honor to be here and to address your audience. Yeah, I came from Delaware back in the mid 50s, so that dates me right away. The mantra. There was a couple of things. One. No pain. No gain. I came from a family of athletes. There was no complaining about anything. And also there was a lot of denial of feelings. We don't show that stuff. We don't talk about it. 

Elizabeth [00:02:42] And then and then the other thing was, which is, you know, you can see athletics, Ray. We were as children, my brother and I were expected to excel, not they didn't hope they expected. So you see, that's a setup right there, right? 

Elizabeth [00:03:01] Then you add sugar into the mix and you add a mother who was in chronic pain and using alcohol to mediate that deal. You know, really kind of a lot of social drinking going on, a lot of a lot of really addiction at that time. I lived in a very unpredictable environment in terms of I never knew when I was going to get in trouble because we had to be seen and not heard. And we had to perform. And, you know, all that comes a lot of pressure. I didn't. I had to work really hard to maintain a sense of I'm safe because I a lot of times I didn't I didn't actually feel safe. That's also a setup for chronic pain. By the way. So, you know, emotional, anything emotional in me. I was allowed to express. So that's a pressure cooker right there. Right. Then I had an accident when I was 14. I fell off a horse and landed on a rock and broke my fifth Lamar. It slipped. It broke on the both transverse processes and slipped forward. And today it's sitting 80 percent forward into my pelvis and pulling the leg nerves with it. I have hardware in there and kind of the bionic woman. But. But they don't. Nobody really understands. The Western doctors really don't understand why I'm walking, let alone a yoga teacher. 

Elizabeth [00:04:21] This is this is to fix this. It's just like how did that happen, you know? So it's a testament to the tools. 

Elizabeth [00:04:27] It really is. And the body wants to heal. It took me I hurt my back, but I got up from the accident when I was 14. I got up from the accident. I walked away. And because I had seen people get hurt at horse shows, you know, and the Olympics and stuff, I'd seen people get hurt. They ended up being taken away on a stretcher. I figured if I could get up and walk away, I was fine. I had no I it hurt, but I didn't know I'd broken a bone. Right. So I live with that for seven years. Wow. And then I finally was in enough pain at that point that I was like, I think maybe I need to see a doctor. And everybody wanted me to have surgery. I saw all the different back doctors. They all want me to have back surgery since the chiropractor. He said, I think I think we might be able to manage this for a while. So for another seven years, chiropractor was very helpful. Very I mean, I would kind of limp in there a bit over and I would walk out there dancing. So that's pretty impressive. And then about nine months after I had my my son, that slip became very unstable. And of course, you can imagine pregnancy. They had all said, you know, you can't have a baby. And I'm like, well, anyway, I advanced and I'm really grateful for what I did that that Kerry and then and then holding him and, you know, that just that kind of a heart on the back. 

Elizabeth [00:05:57] So I became unstable. I went and I it was the beginning of I had three surgeries over the next three years. Lot of pain. They put me on opiates and benzodiazepines, which to your audience is like the old version of out-of-band or Xanax would have been Dnipro Bammy. So that's kind of the old version, also known as Milltown. Back in the day I was on, that was their answer. I swear that was their answer for 31 years. You know, that was their answer. Opiates and Bonzo's and you don't get by on your wits. That was the answer. They didn't know how to heal it. And here's the pork important part. They never ask the question, why isn't Elizabeth healing? They just assumed I wouldn't. That was the flaw in the argument. 

Elizabeth [00:06:45] Yeah, that was the flaw in the argument. Anyway, I finally found a doctor who who was able to not only get me off the medication, which at that point I'd been on for the last 15 years of all that I was had been on fentanyl and out-of-band or Xanax. That's a kind of a deadly combination. So it's I mean, I lived through it. 

Elizabeth [00:07:07] You know, I found Dr. Peter Prescott, who has since passed away, but he took me through his pain management program, Detox Me. And, you know, he said he he knew I could heal and I'd never heard that before. He was like, you know, I think maybe your medicine is causing your pain. And I'm like. 

Elizabeth [00:07:27] Who are you? I never heard that. How do you know that anyway? 

Elizabeth [00:07:32] And he all totally knew that my stress response was way off. And no doctor had ever talked about that before. So he hadn't even met me. And he knew what I was up to. So I knew this guy and knew something. And he I walked into that pain management program with a life to 59 years of gut painted, 40 years of back pain. And I walked out fifty two days later with no pain. 

Ari [00:07:58] Wow, that is that is amazing. You know, since then, you've gone on to do some amazing studies and amazing things and to help other people with their pain. 

Ari [00:08:12] So, you know, I like to, as you know, challenged the systems and the challenge to the system that you were in multifold. 

Ari [00:08:22] It was a matter of drugging symptoms and instead of taking care of causes and then obviously those drugs suppress your ability to even understand. 

Ari [00:08:38] Why you're not healing, but they're actually causing some of the further damage and the addictive tendency to. I need the drug, so I need the pain. So I need the drug. So I need the pain. It's like this vicious cycle, you know, challenging the system is also about challenging the questions that people ask. Right. So what were the questions that you've learned. To ask? What are the questions that you've learned to ask doctors as well as alternative health practitioners? Because I think that this will that'll be a really great thing for the listeners to understand is what questions do I need to ask my physician, my doctor, my therapist, whoever it is, so that I can get better results and get rid of the causes of pain and illness? 

Elizabeth [00:09:32] Great question. First of all, I have to make sure I understand the assumptions. You know, so this is the value of having a science training, right? I had that training and I remember all these doctors said to me, you will be. This is what they said. You will be in level seven out of 10 pain for their sheer life 24/7, and you will be in a wheelchair when you're 40. And I and my formal state succumb to that. And I burst into tears and I cried for a while. I cried for days. And I knew something was wrong with this picture. I just couldn't figure it out. And until I figure it out, I just kept crying. 

Elizabeth [00:10:12] And I finally figured it out. 

Elizabeth [00:10:16] Science, first of all, he'd forgotten his basic science. He was giving a prognosis. I had forgotten his basic science that we live in a world of probabilities, not it's not black and white. It's probable that. So he didn't even leave an open day. He didn't leave room for hope in there. The other thing is he forgot that the scientific method and lots of people don't know this is self limiting by definition. Science can only discuss talk about things that it can observe, measure and describe. Where we live, we live in the all that is and the science world lives in a part of it. The only part that he can observe, measure and describe. So where does healing happen? Everywhere. Science is only looking at the part that he can look at. So when I realized that, I was like, he's not a fortuneteller. He forgot his science. 

Elizabeth [00:11:15] And I'm going to look everywhere for healing, not just here. And I it's not that I'm throwing doctors out. It's not about dissing doctors. It's about what are their assumptions and do they understand the limitations? And is there some some open mindedness there? 

Elizabeth [00:11:32] So what are your assumptions and when when they make a comment like, hey, you know, you will be and you know, this is the only solution we have. An honest answer would have been. Yet the only one we have yet, you know, and the other one within. I'm not trained in chronic pain. You know, because they're not. And they they're only doing what they can. So there's a little bit of an ego thing. They're not really being honest about their training. 

Elizabeth [00:12:06] And it would be nice if there would be some ownership of the limitation because, you know, the patient is there owning their stuff. And we'll be nice if the doctor and the medical people were owning their stuff. And that was what Dr. Peter was all about. He was about, you know, really relating to the patient and and being very clear about about where he was coming from and where the patient was coming from. You know, if that answers your question. 

Ari [00:12:32] Yeah, absolutely. You know, I learned that lesson when my grandmother died because she was she had pancreatic cancer. And so she was given a death sentence and I was a master herbalist. I was young and I was learning all about shark cartilage. Right. And I said to my grandmother, why don't you take some shark cartilage and see if it helps? 

Ari [00:13:07] Because I was learning about this being something good for cancer at the time, that it was a big thing. That was a big pulled, big push for shark cartilage and it taking the shark cartilage and all of a sudden her numbers started to improve. And she went to the doctor and the doctor was like, what are these numbers and what have you been doing? And. Oh my goodness, I can't believe what's happening. This never happens with pancreatic cancer because it's it's a quick kill you. And, you know, it's like. Quick, quick, quick. She said, well, I've been taking this shark cartilage and that's the only thing I've done differently. And so it must be helping. And her doctor said, oh, that's stuff that doesn't do anything for you. You're just having a placebo effect. It does. You should just stop taking that and we'll figure something out that works. That works. She died a couple months later because she got so disheartened and believe, you know, she grew up in a world where you listen to the doctor, the doctor is the doctor is the authority. So you listen to them. You do what they say. And even now, prescription meds, doctor says, take this. What do you do? You take it. A therapist says, take this supplement. What do you do? Maybe we'll see how it does it. It doesn't have the same scripted value that. 

Elizabeth [00:14:41] That would be the next question. The other questions that I would ask, because I've asked this before, I was having issues with my bone density and I was, you know, osteoporosis and my Western doctor, bless his heart, it's his training. I'm not dissing him. I'm just saying the training is the training. And that's your perspective. That's the best that they can do, just like your mom's doctor. Right. He said, I'm not going to get better. And they want me to take a big pharma, start these big pharma injections. And here's the question I asked him, because I'm I'm open minded. You know, I want to know the data. I kind of like I'd like to know what's out there. Yeah, absolutely. And I said to him, OK. Explain to me the biology of that drug. And he couldn't. And then I went on Google and I went to the to the company's Web site and they didn't have either. And I went back to my doctor and I said, you know, if you guys can explain to me how this drugs work, this drug works, so I could make some kind of an evaluation. I'm not taking it. That's an answer to that. You know, I just don't blindly trust these guys anymore. It's not like I'm being mean. I'm just being cautious. And I would like to know if the person I'm working with actually knows what they're doling out. 

Ari [00:15:59] You know, it's it's a it's a funny thing. The fine line between, you know, I would never assume that not listening to somebody is being mean. I would assume that researching for yourself is taking ownership of your health. 

Ari [00:16:19] So the only the only caveat that I have to that is we now have this thing called Dr. Google. That is it's it's like a maze upon a maze, upon a maze, upon a maze of information. Kubra misleading matter. What's true or not true? It just matters who's got the best SVO. Right. It's a problem. Hard for people to get a true answer nowadays because they have so much to weed through. 

Elizabeth [00:16:52] Well, Pub Med is a good is a good platform to go through. That's p b m e d is as you can actually get the research papers. I go to NIH to as well to the National Institutes of Health. I go to that Web site for papers. So I'm I'm I'm kind of selective in where I go. But here's the thing. Back in when I was in graduate school, I was in graduate school for environmental studies on top of my science degree. And I was gonna go into environmental impact statement stuff, that kind of stuff. At that time, the funding for basic research was just starting to dry up. We have very little funding nowadays for basic research. The research that's done anymore is done. It's very much company driven, corporate driven with corporate interests. And so we have to be first of all, we have to be able to know how to read a study. And that was one of the things I learned in graduate school, was how to actually evaluate a paper and a design and a study. And did they use the rights? That's and their conclusions. Correct. That kind of thing. And it's still hard for me and I and I've had training in it. So you're right. It's hard. And we so we have to be discerning about the information. We're looking at who we're listening to and really ask these questions. You know, do they really know what they're talking about or are they kind of winging it? Right. 

Ari [00:18:17] You know, I'd I'd like to add to that that we have to be willing to listen to points of view that we don't necessarily agree with or have a preconceived notion about, because we can always go to somebody that has the same philosophy as us. But if we're doing that in an echo chamber and still getting the the results of ill health and disease, then we've got to be willing to open our minds and open our hearts to the possibility that there are other things out there. Yeah. So what I'd like to ask I ask this at the end of every interview is three things that somebody action steps that somebody can take right now. To shift and change their own health, their own minds. And, you know, activate their vision for a better world. 

Elizabeth [00:19:21] Well, that would start with their world right now. Step number one would be pause. Stop what you're doing and drop into being. I find that my answers come in that space where there's not a lot of doing going on, where I'm dropping the mind and and really allowing the breath, my attention to come stay on the breath and and just kind of allow. Really important healing happens right in this present moment. So pause get present. The second thing is they get rigorously honest. You know, because a lot of us deny our experience, because it's because it's it's it's it's traumatizing lives has been traumatized. And we don't want to our art. We turn away. That's our natural biology, is to turn towards pleasure and away from pain. So we're really going against our own biological programing when we turn into are not so good experience. And then the third thing. Don't judge the moment you drop the judgment. It's not good. Bad. It just is. Right. That third position. Right. So we have we live in this dualistic werb world. Good, bad. High and low. Back. Forward. 

Elizabeth [00:20:39] Down. What if we took the third position? Neutrality. Then you'd have a triangle and you'd have a firm foundation that says things. 

Ari [00:20:52] Yeah, that is. That's awesome. 

Ari [00:20:54] And, you know, just that that first thing that you stated is stop doing and start being. And we live in such a society that. 

Ari [00:21:07] Rewards and values. What we do versus and the amount that we do versus the results that we're getting. So it's a procedure based world that we're living in versus a results based world. And so that is a really powerful lesson and thing to activate in yourself. 

Ari [00:21:29] You can do that now. You can stop and just say, what am I thinking and why? And start being. 

Elizabeth [00:21:38] Yeah. I wouldn't actually ask those questions. The mind is going to engage. Doing this, I would just. Where am I looking. And down into the breath. Right where the attention goes. The energy flows. It's it's it it's a tricky thing. And, you know, if you talk to brain scientist, then you probably have a few of them on your podcast. They'll tell you that with this thing that we're doing is doing, doing, doing, doing. We're wearing the brain out. When we do know is that the pawns and we go into what you know, some of your listeners are going to, oh, I don't even know how to do that or what is that meditation, which is we call it meditation. It's just being it's the most natural state that we are. It's also called meditation. The brain gets a chance to rest and heal. So it's really important that we do that. 

Ari [00:22:33] That's awesome. So how could people get a hold of you if if they're interested in learning more? 

Elizabeth [00:22:40] Thank you. Yes. You can get a hold of me at elizabeth-kipp.com. Or you can email me and Elizabeth. That's with a. [email protected]. 

Ari [00:22:55] Awesome. Thank you so much for being here. And we will have you on again. And for all of our listeners, you know, there are options. There are things that you can do to change the course of your life and to clear out the chronic pain, the trauma and the things that are blocking you from being who you want to be, really. And I hope that you've learned something here. And we'll have Elizabeth on again so that she can give you some more of her wisdom. Thank you guys so much for being on the Create a new Tomorrow podcast. I'm your host, Ari Gronich, and I wish you a healthy day. 

Ari [00:23:38] Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. 

Ari [00:23:45] If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world, go to the Web site, createanewtomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. I have a gift for you. Just for checking it out. 

Ari [00:24:03] And look forward to seeing you take the leap and joining our private paid mastermind community. Until then, see you on the next episode. 

Eric Malzone, a podcasting machine. Over 600 plus interviews on three different podcasts. He's also a cross-fit master and used to own a couple of cross-fit gyms. He's competed in cross-fit games and he is really a major influencer in the fitness and health industry.

Now Eric is sharing with us tips and tricks on how the process of decision-making has huge implications in our lives. 

Don't be afraid to fail as failure is the learning process. Be Brave and Be Bold. 

Episode Highlights

Eric [00:04:34] I wish I had a mentor earlier on that. Show me that. But I did. And so I just got the first job I can take, which was a sales job. And I sold recruitment services. And for a period about nine years, I sold a lot of things. I sold radio ads, I sold real estate finance, I sold legal publishing. And, you know, as the years went on, I got pretty good at it and made a decent living doing it. And there is definitely advancement opportunities. And there is kind of a moment around 07, 08, where I was sitting in a a national conference for our company and I was looking around and I just started my mind, started to wonder, what if I stay here and actually just presented on something as well? And I was thinking, man, I stand here. What's going to happen to me in the next ten years if I stay in this corporate track? And a couple things. I realized that I'll continually drive my sales managers or whoever my V.P., whoever. It is crazy because I don't do things the way other people do them. 

Eric [00:09:24] Well, why don't we go? Great. Let's do it. Why don't we go move to a bunch of mountain towns? So I was like, oh, I love you. Great. Let's do it. You know, with trials and tribulations and net gain, the business is sold and exited successfully from those poor little cash in the pocket. Nothing life changing, but allowed us for the next chapter of our life. So we started hitting the road. We went through the Northern Sierras, up through Oregon, up through Washington and up to Vancouver Island, start coming back down with the goal of spending the winter in Whitefish, Montana. So we made it there barely by the winter, had a rental. 

Ari [00:13:23] That's awesome. So this is a shorter kind of more like your blitz, right. So I have three kind of questions that I'll that I'll ask you about. But you've interviewed now, around 600 people. There must be some kind of theme, too, to those interviews. Everybody's in the fitness industry. So what is the overriding theme that you've seen both as far as obstacles as well as what it really, really works like nitty gritty? This works and it works a lot vs., you know, trial and error. So kind of give us a little bit of fear for all the fitness enthusiasts and trainers and people in that industry. What things have you seen as overwriting, you know, similarities between all of your guests? 

Eric [00:15:14] I mean, I mentioned to you over a three year span, I had four businesses I would consider non successful. Right. They made money. They're profitable, but not to. My standards were successful. But that's OK. I just keep on marching on because I know it brings me one more failure closer to success I want. So I think that's freedom is people who have a good relationship failure tend to be more successful in the long term. Hands down, flat out. No questioning that. 

Ari [00:15:41] So Fail Forward Fast is a statement that a lot of people have made in the self-improvement and entrepreneurial movements. And the faster you fail forward, the further you're going to get anyway. So you're on cheaper. Forward use. You say you've had four failed businesses, but because of your ability to pivot and adapt, you've been able to make those failures into successes in life. Right. So tell me, what are some of the successes that you've seen from some of your clients, some of the people that you've been able to coach? 

Ari [00:18:27] So, you know, it's kind of interesting because I relate what you just said back to some of the broken system in health care and fitness and life, which is where a lot about procedures versus results. Right. And so the more we think that, the more we do. Well, the the better we should get as a result. But if we're trying to get south and we go one hundred miles north. The result is that we just did a whole lot of extra work. Going in the wrong direction. So it wasn't the procedures that mattered. It was where we were going. The goal that we were trying to achieve. So that's what that reminded me of when you were when you were saying efficacy versus efficiency, because so many times a business man, person who's trying to lose weight or anywhere in between get healthy in any way. There's so many procedures that we try in order to try to not do the hard work of doing the thing that's going to get us the goal right now. So how many quick fix pills can you try before they fail? When you could have been done, had you just put a little bit more effort into the planning and the processing of of that goal, right? 

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Ari [00:00:01] Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results. We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians, Paralympians, A-list actors and Fortune 1000 companies. If I did not get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who controlled the system want to keep the status quo. If I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are. Join me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as a chat with industry experts. 

Ari [00:00:40] Elite athletes thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. 

Ari [00:00:50] I'm Ari Gronich and this is. Create a new tomorrow podcast. 

Ari [00:00:59] And welcome back to another episode of Create a New Tomorrow. I am here with a good friend, Eric Malzone. 

Ari [00:01:06] He is a podcasting machine. Over 600 plus interviews on three different podcasts. He's also a cross fit master, used to own a couple cross fit gyms. He's competed in crossfit games and he is really a major influencer in the fitness and health industry. So I welcome Eric. I really appreciate you coming on and tell us a little bit about yourself and how you got started and what made you become you. 

Eric [00:01:39] Yeah, thank you. All right. And first of all, I didn't say this prerecording, but you look amazing. 

Eric [00:01:45] I haven't talked to you or seen you in, like, a year, year and a half. And, man, you look vibrant, healthy. You've obviously dropped a couple LB's. And I just want to bring that up to the audience that you've had quite a transformation yourself. 

Eric [00:02:00] So I just want to acknowledge that you look really good, man. 

Ari [00:02:03] Oh, thank you so much. Yeah. One hundred forty two pounds. 

Eric [00:02:08] I feel like I want to interview you now, but I guess I'm the one on the seat, right? 

Ari [00:02:12] Yeah. Today I've. I've been on your show. I've been on two of your shows. Fitness Splits and your future fitness. Now we'll do your new show actually. So but yeah. Go talk about. Talk about yourself. Bragg a little bit 

Eric [00:02:27] Yeah. Yeah, man. Well, thank you for that. I appreciate the platform and I always go back. 

Eric [00:02:32] I've never been across the games. I never qualify for those. I was kind of local competition guy. What I would call the perennial fourth place finisher who never made the platform. So I'll just start that. But yeah, my story, man, I guess, you know, tried to keep it too condensed, will form. But I've. I'm originally from Northern California, so I grew up in the Silicon Valley before. It really was a Silicon Valley to do it myself. I'm forty three now. So when I was born 76, I hadn't really done anything was orchard's. I got to ride my bike everywhere. It was easy. And then all of a sudden tech. Right. And then. All kinds of different migration into the valley, which really booms. I mean, give you an idea numbers. My dad bought the house and I was born for a little over one hundred thousand. When I looked on Zillow the other day is worth three point one million. So talk about significant change in an area. So I grew up there. I've been. I got into swimming competitive swing at an early age, mainly because I had really bad asthma. So it was the one sport that really strengthen your lungs. Loudy, breathe clean air. And it's really good for me. But I took a liking to it. I end up being a competitive summer for a long time. And more importantly, that springboard me into the sport of water polo at right around age 10 or eleven, which I played for over 20 years through high school, through college, on club teams after that. And so I've always been. Athletic, right? Always want to be part of a team that's part of my nature. That's part of my background and I'm grateful for that because it really did really improve the quality of my life. It still does today. So after college, I went to school back east. When I came back, it was nineteen ninety nine. The dot com bubble had just burst. So that coveted job at any dot com was no longer available. 

Eric [00:04:21] I see you laughing because you remember what a case study that was. Right. So I kind of it was tough. I couldn't find gig. I didn't know what I want to do. I didn't really understand entrepreneurship yet. 

Eric [00:04:34] I wish I had a mentor earlier on that. Show me that. But I did. And so I just got the first job I can take, which was a sales job. And I sold recruitment services. And for a period about nine years, I sold a lot of things. I sold radio ads, I sold real estate finance, I sold legal publishing. And, you know, as the years went on, I got pretty good at it and made a decent living doing it. And there is definitely advancement opportunities. And there is kind of a moment around 07, 08, where I was sitting in a a national conference for our company and I was looking around and I just started my mind, started to wonder, what if I stay here and actually just presented on something as well? And I was thinking, man, I stand here. What's going to happen to me in the next ten years if I stay in this corporate track? And a couple things. I realized that I'll continually drive my sales managers or whoever my V.P., whoever. It is crazy because I don't do things the way other people do them. 

Eric [00:05:30] And also, I didn't really like what I saw myself down the road as far as health, as far as enjoyment of life, as far as chasing a paycheck. And it just it dawned on me, I realized, hey, I got to start I got to start figuring something out. So I started doing a lot of things. I start testing for fire departments, start looking at how to start a business. All these things. And serendipitously, in 2008, I got a text message from an old college teammate, and his name's Trevor Boehm, who's doing magnificent things now. And it just said, hey, man, do you want to open a gym? And he know and I've been doing Crossett for a while at Jacqueline's grandson's gym. Kristen Laine is only in fitness in San Francisco. He had been doing Crossfit for a while and he Petron Extreme and L.A. Fit at L.A. Crossfit and he and I just sat there and his back in T nine texting, remember that? So it wasn't like a flat board. So I was like I had a beer. I remember as I was in San Francisco, I had a beer and I wrote back. Yes, this is it. This is this is the opportunity I how do I get to work with a friend to build something in an industry that's growing? I get to do something that I really enjoy. And so we pulled the trigger. I picked up everything, left San Francisco, but everything in a trailer drove down to Santa Barbara, California, where we designated was a spot. We wanted to open the gym because back then it was a wild, wild west. Everyone was putting their stake in the ground of different territories. And, you know, I've never been to Santa Barbara. I didn't know anybody in Santa Barbara, but it seemed like a great place. Right. Seen on TV shows. And so we opened this little thing called Crossed the Pacific Coast is an eight hundred square foot studio. And this was in 2008 09. 

Eric [00:07:12] So once again, it was like another, you know, economic crisis we are going through, which, you know, we didn't have much money. We were bootstrapped completely. No banks were loaning us money, that's for sure. So we did everything kind the old fashioned way. And this was before really social media took place. Right. So we just started walking around, introducing ourselves to people or getting to know other local businesses, trying to spread the word. And you get one client and two clients and three clients. And over a period of a year and a half was pretty touch and go. But as the economy picked up, Crossett start to get popular, the phone started ringing or ferral start coming in. And we grew and it was great. It was a really exciting ride. And over a nine year span, what I believe is probably going on the more the premier Gym's on the central coast to California Crossfit affiliates and. 

Eric [00:08:02] It was going really well. 

Eric [00:08:03] You know, I think I was investing in another jam that was opening. Was helping guide that process and then 2016 head and. It was rough, man. We had, you know, over a span of a year. It started off with a good friend, suicide to us being pregnant and losing the pregnancy. Lay in that kind of. Turns out wrapped up are a chance to have a family of our own with our own kids. My wife's father passed away at the age of 62 of a heart attack just done over at the end of the year. Our dog died. 

Eric [00:08:39] So it's just a really poor year. And through all that stress and struggle, because there is a lot of it is very dark. Something changed. My chemistry changed. And I call it like, you know, it went from, hey, let's do some things. Let's do this thing some day, too. What if we did it today? So when I came home one night and I told my wife, Hey. We always talk about living in a mountain town, right? You're from. She's from Brazil. Like you want to learn how to ski. 

Eric [00:09:09] Right. We talk about all these things. What if I sold the businesses and. And we just we found a mountain town move there. And she's like, first of all, are you effing with me? Because I know how much this business means to you. I'm like, I'm not. 

Eric [00:09:24] Well, why don't we go? Great. Let's do it. Why don't we go move to a bunch of mountain towns? So I was like, oh, I love you. Great. Let's do it. You know, with trials and tribulations and net gain, the business is sold and exited successfully from those poor little cash in the pocket. Nothing life changing, but allowed us for the next chapter of our life. So we started hitting the road. We went through the Northern Sierras, up through Oregon, up through Washington and up to Vancouver Island, start coming back down with the goal of spending the winter in Whitefish, Montana. So we made it there barely by the winter, had a rental. 

Eric [00:09:57] And, you know, over the next two or three years, we kept going to other places and coming back, coming other places, coming back. And now we're we're very excited say that we plants roots here and we're gonna be here for a bone at home. And it's it's been a really exciting ride. 

Eric [00:10:13] And as far as business on that side of things over last year has been really interesting. And you've been kind of caught me in critical times, too, which is interesting that start out the digital marketing agency with my buddy Doug went OK. I think we both realized that it was a bigger task at hand and we didn't quite have the right formula. So we disbanded that. And I started a couple of mastermind groups and started a online slack community for fitness entrepreneurs, did a bunch of different things. But what I always started doing, it wasn't intentional. I've actually been doing it for 10 years was was coaching entrepreneurs and business owners started one started two very casual agreements like, hey, just pay me when you can or don't pay me at all. But I loved it. And it took a little bit of noticing to realize that that's actually what I really enjoy doing. And when I cross my travels up through British Columbia, I came into contact by chance and through a mutual connection with a gentleman in Canada trucco who owned a very successful he's been a very successful entrepreneur, bunch of successful exits, been coaching gym owners, hundreds of gym owners. And, you know, I was happy to be in the same town. He had his mount home. And when my someone said, hey, you should look up, Ken. Yeah, maybe I will. And ten minutes later, I got off that conversation. I got a text like, Hey, it's Ken, you should come over. I was like, What? This is nuts. So I did. And I came over and hung out his house for a while. We drank some bourbon. We talked about fitness and our stories and what we wanted to do, road some four wheelers, and really kind of bonded and decided that, hey, at some point we're going to work together. 

Eric [00:11:56] I'm just not sure what that looks like yet. And took about six months to figure out what that looks like. And now we're full fledged and level five mentors and it's growing. It's great. We're we're doing one on one mentoring for entrepreneurs. We're doing consulting and advising for for larger brands. And it's really exciting. We're starting to bring on new associates now, too. And of course, we didn't mention this. I've also been doing a little bit of podcasting. 

Ari [00:12:21] The podcasting the thing that you've been doing is no small thing. 

Eric [00:12:26] Yeah, it's just. 

Ari [00:12:28] You have three. 

Eric [00:12:30] Yeah, I have three. Too active future fit is still active. 

Eric [00:12:34] We're about to not. We're knocking on the door of 200 episodes. I did the fitness blitz radio, which was shorter, 50 minute interviews did about 360 of those. And now I just kicked up the Black Time and podcast this month, actually just did the official launch for it. So that's first month. It's going to be pretty good. I'm pretty happy about that, but I love it, man. It's funny because I don't even think about it as work. I just enjoy it. It's my favorite part of the day. I could get on conversations with people like you and just talk forever and it just doesn't feel like work. I guess I don't even worry about the numbers in my shows. I really like to focus on the learning that I attain, the natural curiosity that I'm blessed to have, and the relationships I get to form with my guests as well are really important to me. So yeah, man, I've done a lot. Almost six hundred total. 

Ari [00:13:23] That's awesome. So this is a shorter kind of more like your blitz, right. So I have three kind of questions that I'll that I'll ask you about. But you've interviewed now, around 600 people. There must be some kind of theme, too, to those interviews. Everybody's in the fitness industry. So what is the overriding theme that you've seen both as far as obstacles as well as what it really, really works like nitty gritty? This works and it works a lot vs., you know, trial and error. So kind of give us a little bit of fear for all the fitness enthusiasts and trainers and people in that industry. What things have you seen as overwriting, you know, similarities between all of your guests? 

Eric [00:14:25] So are you talking in the context of, like, business or what gets success for, like, the end consumer in their fitness goals? 

Ari [00:14:32] Yeah. Mostly the business side. 

Eric [00:14:34] Business. 

Eric [00:14:36] Well, everybody gets stuck. You know, I think we all get stuck in doing the things that keep us busy and never really get lost. Occasionally we'll get on track with things that are productive. But that that's a big thing is is getting stuck. I also think, you know, speaking overarching entrepreneurial ism is that someone's relationship is critical to advancement. That's just not a non entrepreneurship. That's even in one's fitness, even in one's life. Failure is the learning process. It's not to be necessarily sought out, but it's. 

Eric [00:15:11] Don't be afraid of it, like if you're just going to fail. 

Eric [00:15:14] I mean, I mentioned to you over a three year span, I had four businesses I would consider non successful. Right. They made money. They're profitable, but not to. My standards were successful. But that's OK. I just keep on marching on because I know it brings me one more failure closer to success I want. So I think that's freedom is people who have a good relationship failure tend to be more successful in the long term. Hands down, flat out. No questioning that. 

Ari [00:15:41] So Fail Forward Fast is a statement that a lot of people have made in the self-improvement and entrepreneurial movements. And the faster you fail forward, the further you're going to get anyway. So you're on cheaper. Forward use. You say you've had four failed businesses, but because of your ability to pivot and adapt, you've been able to make those failures into successes in life. Right. So tell me, what are some of the successes that you've seen from some of your clients, some of the people that you've been able to coach? 

Eric [00:16:22] Yeah, yeah. I think on that, I think the first thing. 

Eric [00:16:31] That people need to focus on is how they manage, first of all, understanding. Thinking about how you think it is a big thing. 

Eric [00:16:39] How do you approach problems? Because you're always going to run into problems. And, you know, Ken and I actually just just talked out of this this particular topic yesterday. So it's fresh in my mind. As you know, I I always look at the way I prefer to do business because I'm very lifestyle oriented and fitness professionals will understand this. What is the minimum effective dose for business? Right. What is it that you can. What is the how do you get the result you want with a minimal amount of work and effort and time? 

Eric [00:17:09] And that means you got to think you got to think on that. You don't just get do. People will always associate busyness with hard work and productivity. 

Eric [00:17:19] It's not the case. And that's been a model for my life, is understand difference between efficacy and efficiency. Efficiency means just like how many things can you do per hour efficacy as well? What's the end result? Right. If I can pick up the phone to make one important phone call every hour and that gets me closer and I want to be versus 50 phone calls in an hour and maybe get me where I am. You know where I'm going. That's right. And I think that's the thing. And where you got to focus on. Which means that you guys spend more time thinking than doing. And you've got to focus on the win. W I n what's important now? What is the most critical thing in my business right now. And that thing usually solves one of two things, which is a who or what. So understanding that. You know, I think that Abraham Lincoln, if you give me six hours to chop down a tree, I'll spend four of it sharpening my ax like that's that's the kind of thought process you need when you're building your business. Like, hey, let's pump the brakes here. What if. What kind of collaboration can I search for? What kind of system can I implement? What is it that I need right now? And then how do I solve it? 

Ari [00:18:27] So, you know, it's kind of interesting because I relate what you just said back to some of the broken system in health care and fitness and life, which is where a lot about procedures versus results. Right. And so the more we think that, the more we do. Well, the the better we should get as a result. But if we're trying to get south and we go one hundred miles north. The result is that we just did a whole lot of extra work. Going in the wrong direction. So it wasn't the procedures that mattered. It was where we were going. The goal that we were trying to achieve. So that's what that reminded me of when you were when you were saying efficacy versus efficiency, because so many times a business man, person who's trying to lose weight or anywhere in between get healthy in any way. There's so many procedures that we try in order to try to not do the hard work of doing the thing that's going to get us the goal right now. So how many quick fix pills can you try before they fail? When you could have been done, had you just put a little bit more effort into the planning and the processing of of that goal, right? 

Eric [00:19:57] Yeah, totally and all. Here's one thing I believe whole heartedly to be true is that no matter what, in any kind of business or whatever you're in, relationships come first. If you focus on strong relationships and being a person who adds more value than you take in return, you're going to see success. If you just that basic principle in life, Ray, like always be seeking add more value than you take in return. It's from Bob Berg and the go getter who he's now become a friend of mine. And I think that's if I was gonna go back and say, hey, what's the fundamental thing that would be? Leads you to success would be a relationship of failure and in focusing on relationships first, because you never know where to go. 

Ari [00:20:37] Absolutely. Well, you know, I really appreciate you being on. 

Ari [00:20:41] I'm going to ask you same thing I ask everybody at the end of the conversation is give us give the listeners three actionable steps that somebody can take today, tomorrow to implement in their life that will move them forward, even if it's just a little bit. But we'll start that process of moving somebody forward. 

Eric [00:21:02] Yeah. I guess if there is one that I would start with is had that uncomfortable conversation that, you know, you need to have. Because it is a weight on your boat that is dragging you down. Every day, whether you know it emotionally, physically, physiologically, do something. 

Eric [00:21:27] Find what you truly enjoy. Pursue it every day and know how much sleep you need and get that every day. 

Ari [00:21:38] Awesome. Sleep is very important. 

Eric [00:21:41] Everything. 

Ari [00:21:42] It's it's incredible how, you know, how often do you hear some of these big wigs say things like, I only need four hours of sleep, two hours. 

Eric [00:21:52] Nonsense,. 

Ari [00:21:54] And then you'll see them heart attack and crash a year later. You know, and sleep, we recognize, is probably one of the most important things we can do for our physiological health. And our mental health keeps us from sleeping for two days. And you'll find out who they really are. Right. 

Eric [00:22:13] I mean, my know, my wife and I have never had kids, but when I see the transition of when people have their newborns, it's like I trying all of you right now, I'm going away to your kids four or five. So I'll see you in a few years. 

Ari [00:22:29] Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Eric. I really appreciate you coming on. And this has been another episode of Create a New Tomorrow. Look forward to having you guys join us again. Thank you so much and have a good day. 

Ari [00:22:45] Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. 

Ari [00:22:52] If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world, go to the Web site, createanewtomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. I have a gift for you. Just for checking it out. And look forward to seeing you take the leap. And joining our private paid mastermind community. 

Ari [00:23:16] Until then, see you on the next episode.